Current Affairs General US politics (ie, not POTUS related)

[BlueTX]

You talk about GOP in-fighting as if it's a unique thing in American politics. Why not look any further than the huge split in the Democrat party? AOC isn't even endorsing Biden in 2024, and nor will Sanders. What about the blue-collar workers who staunchly vote Blue in the Appalachian states such as Manchin? I don't think American politics is black and white as people make it sound.

I do think Crenshaw is acting like a globalist and his plans to give so much aid to Ukraine, reaffirms my beliefs. He is not acting in the best interest of Texan people. I think this so-called GOP "in-fighting" exists is because a lot of Americans are feeling disenfranchised by the mainstream politicians and the GOP had to shift even more right, to get these people on their side. America as a country, is becoming more conservative in certain aspects imo.

What do I think about those things in the GOP convention? Firstly, whoever is suggesting secession should be tried for treason and be punished in accordance to our constitution. I think the whole dldos thing is a remnant of the 70s/80s when our society was much more prudish and there had to be a need to crack down on "sexual immorality". Now, I don't live in Texas myself so maybe you can give us context, on how prudish the Texan society still is.
Repeal of the federal voting laws will be very controversial, no doubt about it. I think the most GOP should go is enabling the requirement of voter ID laws, and nobody should have any disagreements with this. Requiring voter ID to vote should be a standard procedure in America, as it is in almost every civilized nation.

No, I did not speak to it as unique in American politics. I spoke to it as relatively new within the GOP. A mantra of the party used to be not to speak ill of fellow GOPers.

Who the heck are you to decide what is best for Texans? You don't live here and aren't from here. Support for Ukraine is quite popular here.

Your read on America is, IMO, far from accurate. Except for relatively unique rules around grouping voters and the counting/application of votes, the GOP's standing in terms of representation would be more accurately reflected - a consistent minority party.

 

[emir]

No, I did not speak to it as unique in American politics. I spoke to it as relatively new within the GOP. A mantra of the party used to be not to speak ill of fellow GOPers.

Who the heck are you to decide what is best for Texans? You don't live here and aren't from here. Support for Ukraine is quite popular here.

Your read on America is, IMO, far from accurate. Except for relatively unique rules around grouping voters and the counting/application of votes, the GOP's standing in terms of representation would be more accurately reflected - a consistent minority party.

Let me guess? Are you one of those people that claim voter ID laws are racist?

GOP as minority party in America? Would you also say that GOP is the minority party in Texas too??

 

[BlueTX]

Let me guess? Are you one of those people that claim voter ID laws are racist?

GOP as minority party in America? Would you also say that GOP is the minority party in Texas too??

Voter ID laws disproportionally affect persons of color and were introduced specifically to marginalize those voters. So, you tell me if the idea behind their implementation is racist. If, for instance, the State of Texas were to implement a state-wide effort to provide a Voter ID card to every single citizen that wanted one free of charge, then I'd believe the intent behind the measure was honest. That has not happened.

The GOP routinely receives fewer votes in the United States than does the Democratic Party. That's simply a fact.

 

[emir]

Voter ID laws disproportionally affect persons of color and were introduced specifically to marginalize those voters. So, you tell me if the idea behind their implementation is racist. If, for instance, the State of Texas were to implement a state-wide effort to provide a Voter ID card to every single citizen that wanted one free of charge, then I'd believe the intent behind the measure was honest. That has not happened.

The GOP routinely receives fewer votes in the United States than does the Democratic Party. That's simply a fact.

Bro you do realize that suggesting voter ID laws being racist is directly insinuating that minorities don't have the expertise to setup a voter ID, and only whites are capable of doing it? Here watch this video:



It's not about disproportionately affecting people of color. It's about bringing in a system that's meant to fight voter fraud. Voter ID laws are present in almost every civilized democratic nations and it should be the way how elections are ran.

I thought our original discussion was about Texas, and not United States. Why have you turned this into GOP getting less votes in the US, rather than just focussing on Texas? As far as my understanding goes, Texas has been a very heavy red state for decades and it's always been a conservative state since its creation.

GOP receiving less votes in the US doesn't matter, it's the electoral college that matters and it's always been 50/50. It's like celebrating having more shots on target in a soccer game, yet losing the game on goals. Then again, the whole popular vote thing isn't even true. The two Reagan victories in the 80s have been landslides, in every possible metric.

 

[BlueTX]

Bro you do realize that suggesting voter ID laws being racist is directly insinuating that minorities don't have the expertise to setup a voter ID, and only whites are capable of doing it? Here watch this video:



It's not about disproportionately affecting people of color. It's about bringing in a system that's meant to fight voter fraud. Voter ID laws are present in almost every civilized democratic nations and it should be the way how elections are ran.

I thought our original discussion was about Texas, and not United States. Why have you turned this into GOP getting less votes in the US, rather than just focussing on Texas? As far as my understanding goes, Texas has been a very heavy red state for decades and it's always been a conservative state since its creation.

GOP receiving less votes in the US doesn't matter, it's the electoral college that matters and it's always been 50/50. It's like celebrating having more shots on target in a soccer game, yet losing the game on goals. Then again, the whole popular vote thing isn't even true. The two Reagan victories in the 80s have been landslides, in every possible metric.

It does not directly or indirectly insinuate any such thing. That's a diversionary tactic from the actual point.

Yes, it is about disproportionally affecting persons who do not have forms of ID that are accepted. Whatever marketing bull poo you want to accept about voter fraud is on you. There is no widespread voter fraud in the United States. There are, however, hundreds of thousands of elderly, infirm and/or poor people in this country who do not have acceptable ID to vote. They are disproportionately POC and they vote Dem more often than they do GOP. It absolutely is a cynical effort to disenfranchise these persons.

The GOP infighting isn't restricted to Texas. If you wish to speak only of Texas, OK. However, the GOP receiving less votes than the Democratic Party in the US does, in fact, matter and that you have to go back 40 years of elections to find a GOP POTUS who won majorities is telling. Especially given that particular politician's policies would not win him a primary in today's GOP.

The EC and gerrymandering are some of the arcane practices I alluded to earlier. But for them, the GOP would be a consistent minority party.

 

[LinekersLegs]

It's not about disproportionately affecting people of color. It's about bringing in a system that's meant to fight voter fraud. Voter ID laws are present in almost every civilized democratic nations and it should be the way how elections are ran.

• Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
• States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
• Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
• Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet | American Civil Liberties Union

www.aclu.org

 

[BlueTX]

• Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
• States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
• Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
• Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet | American Civil Liberties Union

www.aclu.org

In several of the state cases that overturned restrictive Voter ID laws, the courts specifically stated that disenfranchising POC was, at least in part, a motivating factor behind the implementation of the laws.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Bro you do realize that suggesting voter ID laws being racist is directly insinuating that minorities don't have the expertise to setup a voter ID, and only whites are capable of doing it? Here watch this video:



It's not about disproportionately affecting people of color. It's about bringing in a system that's meant to fight voter fraud. Voter ID laws are present in almost every civilized democratic nations and it should be the way how elections are ran.

I thought our original discussion was about Texas, and not United States. Why have you turned this into GOP getting less votes in the US, rather than just focussing on Texas? As far as my understanding goes, Texas has been a very heavy red state for decades and it's always been a conservative state since its creation.

GOP receiving less votes in the US doesn't matter, it's the electoral college that matters and it's always been 50/50. It's like celebrating having more shots on target in a soccer game, yet losing the game on goals. Then again, the whole popular vote thing isn't even true. The two Reagan victories in the 80s have been landslides, in every possible metric.

How much will this reduce voter fraud?

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Bro you do realize that suggesting voter ID laws being racist is directly insinuating that minorities don't have the expertise to setup a voter ID, and only whites are capable of doing it? Here watch this video:



It's not about disproportionately affecting people of color. It's about bringing in a system that's meant to fight voter fraud. Voter ID laws are present in almost every civilized democratic nations and it should be the way how elections are ran.

I thought our original discussion was about Texas, and not United States. Why have you turned this into GOP getting less votes in the US, rather than just focussing on Texas? As far as my understanding goes, Texas has been a very heavy red state for decades and it's always been a conservative state since its creation.

GOP receiving less votes in the US doesn't matter, it's the electoral college that matters and it's always been 50/50. It's like celebrating having more shots on target in a soccer game, yet losing the game on goals. Then again, the whole popular vote thing isn't even true. The two Reagan victories in the 80s have been landslides, in every possible metric.

Bless your heart. Over 30 years ago, pre-Fox News and Rush

Harkening to the popularity of the GOP before the Berlin Wall fell is not unlike stating that the GOP "was the party that freed the slaves" as if that in some way is relevant now

FOH

 

[emir]

Bless your heart. Over 30 years ago, pre-Fox News and Rush

Harkening to the popularity of the GOP before the Berlin Wall fell is not unlike stating that the GOP "was the party that freed the slaves" as if that in some way is relevant now

FOH

Ronald Reagan was literally the poster-boy for evangelical Christianity being conflated with GOP politics, with many issues that currently exist today. What exactly are you talking about?

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Bro you do realize that suggesting voter ID laws being racist is directly insinuating that minorities don't have the expertise to setup a voter ID, and only whites are capable of doing it? Here watch this video:



It's not about disproportionately affecting people of color. It's about bringing in a system that's meant to fight voter fraud. Voter ID laws are present in almost every civilized democratic nations and it should be the way how elections are ran.

I thought our original discussion was about Texas, and not United States. Why have you turned this into GOP getting less votes in the US, rather than just focussing on Texas? As far as my understanding goes, Texas has been a very heavy red state for decades and it's always been a conservative state since its creation.

GOP receiving less votes in the US doesn't matter, it's the electoral college that matters and it's always been 50/50. It's like celebrating having more shots on target in a soccer game, yet losing the game on goals. Then again, the whole popular vote thing isn't even true. The two Reagan victories in the 80s have been landslides, in every possible metric.

What is it about black people being allowed easy access to the levers of democracy that unsettles you so,

 

[emir]

• Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
• States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
• Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
• Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet | American Civil Liberties Union

www.aclu.org

Bro if you're going to debate a point, it's probably not wise to get your information from a source, that is openly left-wing and has been funding Democrat candidates since its creation. There's no objectivity here. I'm not going to debate the 2nd amendment and then proceed to quote the NRA.

ANyways to answer your points, I think the whole point about voter ID laws affecting minority voters is a red herring and it's not allowing our democracy to tackle the real issues such as voter fraud. Voter ID can easily be obtained, it's no issue. Everybody I know, has a voter ID. You need a photo ID to do anything in the country, so why should it not be used for voting? In fact, I'd argue the voter ID laws equally affect the rural elderly population disproportionately, and they are more likely to vote for GOP. In every other civilized democracies, you need ID to vote.

 

[emir]

It does not directly or indirectly insinuate any such thing. That's a diversionary tactic from the actual point.

Yes, it is about disproportionally affecting persons who do not have forms of ID that are accepted. Whatever marketing bull poo you want to accept about voter fraud is on you. There is no widespread voter fraud in the United States. There are, however, hundreds of thousands of elderly, infirm and/or poor people in this country who do not have acceptable ID to vote. They are disproportionately POC and they vote Dem more often than they do GOP. It absolutely is a cynical effort to disenfranchise these persons.

The GOP infighting isn't restricted to Texas. If you wish to speak only of Texas, OK. However, the GOP receiving less votes than the Democratic Party in the US does, in fact, matter and that you have to go back 40 years of elections to find a GOP POTUS who won majorities is telling. Especially given that particular politician's policies would not win him a primary in today's GOP.

The EC and gerrymandering are some of the arcane practices I alluded to earlier. But for them, the GOP would be a consistent minority party.

Do you actually know how simple it is to obtain an ID? It literally takes a call to your state's DMV, and few forms, and you're done.

If certain groups don't have ID, that's their issue.

 

[BlueTX]

Do you actually know how simple it is to obtain an ID? It literally takes a call to your state's DMV, and few forms, and you're done.

If certain groups don't have ID, that's their issue.

Example #34598 of your arrogance and ignorance.

Obtaining an Election ID in Texas requires an in-person visit to one of the 230 offices available in a state that is 268,579 square miles in size (larger than France and England combined) during regular business hours. If you lived in Texas you would know what a pain in the butt this is even for able-bodied persons. The last time I had to renew my license it took 4 hours. There is no way around the requirement to do this in person for an Election ID.

That you are indifferent to the ability of a person to exercise their Constitutional right speaks very ill of you.

 

[BlueTX]

Bro if you're going to debate a point, it's probably not wise to get your information from a source, that is openly left-wing and has been funding Democrat candidates since its creation. There's no objectivity here. I'm not going to debate the 2nd amendment and then proceed to quote the NRA.

ANyways to answer your points, I think the whole point about voter ID laws affecting minority voters is a red herring and it's not allowing our democracy to tackle the real issues such as voter fraud. Voter ID can easily be obtained, it's no issue. Everybody I know, has a voter ID. You need a photo ID to do anything in the country, so why should it not be used for voting? In fact, I'd argue the voter ID laws equally affect the rural elderly population disproportionately, and they are more likely to vote for GOP. In every other civilized democracies, you need ID to vote.

Says the person who posed a Fox News YouTube video.