General strike/protest

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Old Blue 2 said:
Your first sentence: you do NOT speak for me, and I suspect many others.

Your throwaway comments are worthless, as they carry no validity whatsoever
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Whereas yours obviously do. There is more than one way to skin a cat, but you cannot open your mind to anything other than your 1970's approach, welcome to the future......
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Utter rubbish from start to finish.

If you think you know a lot about civil servants, then please enlighten me in particular with your knowledge. I would venture to suggest you know almost next to nothing, but I await your further comments with interest. Let's see wheree we go from here, eh...?
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haha. Fair do's to Pete, he's similar to Hunt, keep spouting absolute rubbish until you start to believe it yourself. Next time I'm on the ward I'll stop the juniors from resuscitating a patient and order them to instead sit down and discuss the technicalities of the new proposed contract together. 'Management meetings' haha. The only meeting I've ever known a junior representative attend is the LNC the Trust hold to discuss the medical direction of the Trust. The idea they spend time in any management meetings is again, absolute and utter tosh. Anyway I told myself I wouldn't get involved in this again, good luck to those still with the will.
 
magicjuan said:
Perhaps in the past there was a tendency to strike as a first reaction. History would dictate if that was a big push to gain a fairness in workplace practices that had been fought for long since. At every opportunity goalposts would move and 'the battle' would recommence.

in recent times there has been a concerted effort to renege on 'given' expectancies, hypocritical stances on pay freezes and rises by successive governments and a shift in workplace legislation that is constantly eroding what was fought for in the past, all to eek out a bit more profit. Working people are commodities. Even the professional classes, doctors, nurses, teachers etc are under constant attack and change, there has to be a point of no return, which we've reached now.

There are tactics in place from the government that are ideologically motivated and if their desire is met in this round you can kiss goodbye to the NHS. It has currently 2 years left in it. You want it to remain, you have to make a stand.

Pussyfooting around won't work.
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Good points, unlike some of the more reactionary posters on here, but if you are being attacked by good strategy then you need to develop a better strategy. Emotional response rarely works apart from on the football field, and even then the clever teams usually win. My comments have been directed at how to win.......
 
Minimeister said:
haha. Fair do's to Pete, he's similar to Hunt, keep spouting absolute rubbish until you start to believe it yourself. Next time I'm on the ward I'll stop the juniors from resuscitating a patient and order them to instead sit down and discuss the technicalities of the new proposed contract together. 'Management meetings' haha. The only meeting I've ever known a junior representative attend is the LNC the Trust hold to discuss the medical direction of the Trust. The idea they spend time in any management meetings is again, absolute and utter tosh. Anyway I told myself I wouldn't get involved in this again, good luck to those still with the will.
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If they don't have the will, they will never win......
 
peteblue said:
Good points, unlike some of the more reactionary posters on here, but if you are being attacked by good strategy then you need to develop a better strategy. Emotional response rarely works apart from on the football field, and even then the clever teams usually win. My comments have been directed at how to win.......
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Unfortunately, workforces don't have much in their locker to compete with governmental overhauls. How does a mass collective develop a 'better strategy' than a government intent on changing something? Hence why strike action is usually a last resort, but one which has been seen to work.
 
Seanjd said:
Unfortunately, workforces don't have much in their locker to compete with governmental overhauls. How does a mass collective develop a 'better strategy' than a government intent on changing something? Hence why strike action is usually a last resort, but one which has been seen to work.
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When did it last work ?.........
 
Seanjd said:
Unfortunately, workforces don't have much in their locker to compete with governmental overhauls. How does a mass collective develop a 'better strategy' than a government intent on changing something? Hence why strike action is usually a last resort, but one which has been seen to work.
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The BMA and Doctors are reasonably intelligent people, at least as good as the 'civil service'. If they can't figure out a clever way forward then they should have a word with the legal guys, they always win..........
 
I do wonder if this is a case of the government trying to get one over the BMA and to put a marker in the sand, unfortunately it's the people that don't deserve it who have been caught in the middle. Personally I think the BMA are bloodsuckers who for years have gotten all they can out of the NHS and this is the governments way of saying no more. I certainly wouldn't ever complain about the BMA being brought down a notch or two, just a shame it's happened like this.
 
peteblue said:
Oh dear, have I touched a nerve........I have spent 40 years dealing with 'civil servants'......you say you were one in the 70's....for how long......
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1. No nerve touched at all. I just talk straight. Some people don't like that. Then the title of the Eagles song kicks in: 'Get over it'...

2. All my working life. On both sides, TU & Management...
 
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