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[d34noj]

How dare you come on here with facts and rational argument.

Where are the facts and rational argument?

Looks like conjecture and a rant to me - Just like my post is conjecture, there's no concrete evidence that Khelif and Lin are intersex, but all the markers are there, along with medical evidence (albeit leaked)


The question here is, is a woman a woman just because it says 'F' on a passport (the IOC's threshold for eligibility) or does biology dictate?

 

[Sean Ashley]

Where are the facts and rational argument?

Looks like conjecture and a rant to me - Just like my post is conjecture, there's no concrete evidence that Khelif and Lin are intersex, but all the markers are there, along with medical evidence (albeit leaked)


The question here is, is a woman a woman just because it says 'F' on a passport (the IOC's threshold for eligibility) or does biology dictate?

As long as someone passed the criteria given by the government than they can be the gender of their choice.

The first example that comes to mind is the change in definition and legislation over the years to the disability acts. To broaden it's scope.

Which is massively important as it gives people of under these acts protections. That otherwise would leave them vulnerable.

History of Legislation on Disability - Rescare

Note: The following article is awaiting update on legislation enacted after 2012. For information on the most recently enacted legislation, i.e. The Children and Families Act 2014 and The Care Act 2014, please see the individual articles under the ‘Legislation & Policies’ menu, or follow the...

www.rescare.org.uk

 

[Sean Ashley]

Congratulations!!

Sam Kerr & Kristie Mewis expecting baby in 2025

Chelsea striker Sam Kerr and West Ham midfielder Kristie Mewis are expecting a baby next year.

www.bbc.co.uk

Chelsea striker Sam Kerr and West Ham midfielder Kristie Mewis are expecting a baby next year.

Shameful. But expected.

Sam Kerr and Kristie Mewis baby: Chelsea manager Sonia Bompastor calls homophobic comments on social media 'crazy'

Chelsea manager Sonia Bompastor says "it's just crazy for me to understand how people can react like this" about homophobic comments aimed at Sam Kerr and Kristie Mewis after their baby announcement.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[NeilMorepies]

Shameful. But expected.

Sam Kerr and Kristie Mewis baby: Chelsea manager Sonia Bompastor calls homophobic comments on social media 'crazy'

Chelsea manager Sonia Bompastor says "it's just crazy for me to understand how people can react like this" about homophobic comments aimed at Sam Kerr and Kristie Mewis after their baby announcement.

www.bbc.co.uk

There’s a lot of hate in this world, and a lot of people who think they have a right to govern other people’s happiness.

 

[d34noj]

As long as someone passed the criteria given by the government than they can be the gender of their choice.

The first example that comes to mind is the change in definition and legislation over the years to the disability acts. To broaden it's scope.

Which is massively important as it gives people of under these acts protections. That otherwise would leave them vulnerable.

History of Legislation on Disability - Rescare

Note: The following article is awaiting update on legislation enacted after 2012. For information on the most recently enacted legislation, i.e. The Children and Families Act 2014 and The Care Act 2014, please see the individual articles under the ‘Legislation & Policies’ menu, or follow the...

www.rescare.org.uk

So is this debate just a conflation of terminology? Sports are as far as i'm aware, are sex-categorised not gender categorised to ensure safety for participants.

In combat sports, we don't let Heavyweights fight Lightweights as it'd be unfair - same as men vs women.


Is 'gender' in any way connected to biological sex anymore? And which is more important of the 2?

 

[Harryflashman]

There’s a lot of hate in this world, and a lot of people who think they have a right to govern other people’s happiness.

so so much hate , it’s sad and certainly got worse the last few years .

So many people so concerned with what makes so many other people happy , equally measures sad and weird .

 

[Kurt.]

so so much hate , it’s sad and certainly got worse the last few years .

So many people so concerned with what makes so many other people happy , equally measures sad and weird .

And most of that hate comes directly from people who would suffer no impact from said others they are hating on …. Strange world we live in.

 

[Sean Ashley]

So is this debate just a conflation of terminology? Sports are as far as i'm aware, are sex-categorised not gender categorised to ensure safety for participants.

In combat sports, we don't let Heavyweights fight Lightweights as it'd be unfair - same as men vs women.


Is 'gender' in any way connected to biological sex anymore? And which is more important of the 2?

I admit it is a difficult question to answer, and I imagine the debate will evolve as more transgender athletes participate in competitive sports.

At the heart of this discussion is the balance between fairness and inclusion. In most sports, particularly contact sports, categories are based on biological sex because it reflects real, measurable physical differences that affect performance and safety. This ensures a level playing field just as we wouldn’t have heavyweights fight lightweights, as you said.

However, gender identity adds complexity. Gender is more than just biological sex; it's about personal identity, which doesn’t always align with someone’s sex at birth. So, when it comes to trans athletes, the challenge is finding a way to balance fairness (based on biological sex) with inclusion (respecting gender identity).

Ultimately, biological sex tends to be prioritized in most sports for fairness, but there’s a growing conversation around how to include gender identity in a way that doesn’t disadvantage anyone. It’s about finding that balance.

 

[d34noj]

I admit it is a difficult question to answer, and I imagine the debate will evolve as more transgender athletes participate in competitive sports.

At the heart of this discussion is the balance between fairness and inclusion. In most sports, particularly contact sports, categories are based on biological sex because it reflects real, measurable physical differences that affect performance and safety. This ensures a level playing field just as we wouldn’t have heavyweights fight lightweights, as you said.

However, gender identity adds complexity. Gender is more than just biological sex; it's about personal identity, which doesn’t always align with someone’s sex at birth. So, when it comes to trans athletes, the challenge is finding a way to balance fairness (based on biological sex) with inclusion (respecting gender identity).

Ultimately, biological sex tends to be prioritized in most sports for fairness, but there’s a growing conversation around how to include gender identity in a way that doesn’t disadvantage anyone. It’s about finding that balance.

Fantastic post. Many thanks for that.

 

[Bohemian Toffee]

Hello, new here. Who are the good guys, so I know which posts to like?

 

[d34noj]

Hello, new here. Who are the good guys, so I know which posts to like?

Time will tell mate.

 

[Sean Ashley]

Hello, new here. Who are the good guys, so I know which posts to like?

 

[Efcjake]

Just bumping this thread because it's Transgender day of remembrance.

Transgender Day of Remembrance - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

While a lot of you are having fun cracking jokes there are a lot of people who have been killed for trying to live their lives in peace as another gender than the sex they were assigned at birth.

 

[WA Toffee]

I admit it is a difficult question to answer, and I imagine the debate will evolve as more transgender athletes participate in competitive sports.

At the heart of this discussion is the balance between fairness and inclusion. In most sports, particularly contact sports, categories are based on biological sex because it reflects real, measurable physical differences that affect performance and safety. This ensures a level playing field just as we wouldn’t have heavyweights fight lightweights, as you said.

However, gender identity adds complexity. Gender is more than just biological sex; it's about personal identity, which doesn’t always align with someone’s sex at birth. So, when it comes to trans athletes, the challenge is finding a way to balance fairness (based on biological sex) with inclusion (respecting gender identity).

Ultimately, biological sex tends to be prioritized in most sports for fairness, but there’s a growing conversation around how to include gender identity in a way that doesn’t disadvantage anyone. It’s about finding that balance.

Very well put - it is all about finding the balance, and at the risk of sounding sexist, I think men are the least qualified to answer this question.

It is not something that really affects men's sports, and it is clear - even on these forums - that men generally do not care too much about women's sport. So why should men get involved in determining the solution?

There is no doubt that different sporting bodies will come to different conclusions about what is fair and inclusive, and most will take several attempts before they get it right. Tohere is also no doubt that whatever the outcome, there will be advantaged and disadvantaged groups crying foul.

FWIW I don't think there will be a best solution, just the least worst.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]