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[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

That's conjecture. I don't think calling all priests pedos is a good way of really easing women when talking about safety. Or a good way of arguing this point.

It's better to say. Look back at segregation for whites and black bathrooms. Once these segregation laws become abolished was there a rise in violence towards white women in bathrooms?

Answer obviously being no. Because the perceived threat you imagine from an unknown entity, is all just negative stories to keep people segregated from public life and to keep them down.

Because regardless of you gender, age, or colour we are all the same and all capable of good and bad.

Who on earth is saying all priests are pedophiles? You don’t seem to read what people post, you seem more to just infer stuff that can offend you.

 

[Sean Ashley]

Who on earth is saying all priests are pedophiles? You don’t seem to read what people post, you seem more to just infer stuff that can offend you.

Do you think Rolf Harris, Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter all used different toilets to male children? Do we have separate bathrooms for Catholic priests etc?

People keep saying that it is not safe for women and kids to use changing rooms where there are trans people, I am merely pointing out that it is less safe in school, church, at home than in said changing room

Two examples from today.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

That's conjecture. I don't think calling all priests pedos is a good way of really easing women when talking about safety. Or a good way of arguing this point.

It's better to say. Look back at segregation for whites and black bathrooms. Once these segregation laws become abolished was there a rise in violence towards white women in bathrooms?

Answer obviously being no. Because the perceived threat you imagine from an unknown entity, is all just negative stories to keep people segregated from public life and to keep them down.

Because regardless of you gender, age, or colour we are all the same and all capable of good and bad.

Again, you miss the point. There is so, so much evidence of predatory teachers, priests, uncles and the like and basically none regarding trans people. Hence my statement that it is a nothing issue. All the haters cling to it for some reason but it is a non-event - just another reason to take offence

 

[Sean Ashley]

Don't really know what Pedo PE teachers got to do with women's safety in bathrooms tbf.

Can't you just say. It is all negative stories from the media with bigotry at the centre to keep clicks and money rolling in.

And this in turn keeps the ability for trans individuals to live normal lives almost impossible. Because they are constantly in the media's focus.

Don't see how saying. Honestly it's a non issue non of them are pedo's like my old PE teacher. Yeah that's helps everyone doesn't.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Don't really know what Pedo PE teachers got to do with women's safety in bathrooms tbf.

Can't you just say. It is all negative stories from the media with bigotry at the centre to keep clicks and money rolling in.

And this in turn keeps the ability for trans individuals to live normal lives almost impossible. Because they are constantly in the media's focus.

Don't see how saying. Honestly it's a non issue non of them are pedo's like my old PE teacher. Yeah that's helps everyone doesn't.

Again, you miss the point (conveniently)
People are trying to use the argument that children are t safe in changing rooms and toilets with trans people, I’m pointing out that they aren’t your issue abd it’s those closer to home you should be fearing if anyone

It is s nothing story just being perpetuated in order to vilify trans people

 

[Lanolin]

Didn’t realise I’d ‘kicked off’, it certainly wasn’t my intention. I just have a different view to you. And I certainly don’t think one of us is lying, just that anecdotes don’t really prove anything.

For clarity, I think the whole trans people using women’s toilets is an absolute non issue. Until I see some data that proves otherwise that won’t change, no matter how many pearls get clutched in this thread.

It’s absolutely fine for you to have a different opinion, and I’m not trying to offend you.

I wasn’t trying to prove anything though, which is why it felt like you were kicking off. Like I said, I genuinely don’t have a dog in the fight, I’m not particularly leaning towards either side as I think it’s a complex issue.

My point was that the aeroplane toilet/someone’s house toilet comparison isn’t representative of what the people who are bothered by it are actually bothered by. I took the original post at face value and was trying to point that out to be helpful, but maybe the post (on twitter at least, if not by you) was actually a deliberate misrepresentation to ridicule the subject, I don’t know.

I had the conversation with a couple of colleagues in work after a presentation we had from stonewall, they were unhappy with how things had been presented and explained that they have no issue with the idea of sitting on the same toilet seat as a bloke, they are talking about losing what they - rightly or wrongly - view as safe spaces in pubs/restaurants/workplaces. The stonewall presentation had specifically stated that if you saw what by all accounts appeared to be a male entering the female toilets you should not say or do anything because they might be transitioning and it could be offensive. They were very concerned at this advice and where it could lead, and raised their concerns with me as their manager.

The ‘rapists gonna rape’ argument is probably technically true, but feels a bit reductive and dismissive of the feelings of (some) biological females.

 

[Sean Ashley]

Again, you miss the point (conveniently)
People are trying to use the argument that children are t safe in changing rooms and toilets with trans people, I’m pointing out that they aren’t your issue abd it’s those closer to home you should be fearing if anyone

It is s nothing story just being perpetuated in order to vilify trans people

It pretty what I said. Just stated differently.

But I still stand by that how you represent it isn't how the queer community would. Maybe that is the lens we see things.

 

[Sean Ashley]

I wasn’t trying to prove anything though, which is why it felt like you were kicking off. Like I said, I genuinely don’t have a dog in the fight, I’m not particularly leaning towards either side as I think it’s a complex issue.

My point was that the aeroplane toilet/someone’s house toilet comparison isn’t representative of what the people who are bothered by it are actually bothered by. I took the original post at face value and was trying to point that out to be helpful, but maybe the post (on twitter at least, if not by you) was actually a deliberate misrepresentation to ridicule the subject, I don’t know.

I had the conversation with a couple of colleagues in work after a presentation we had from stonewall, they were unhappy with how things had been presented and explained that they have no issue with the idea of sitting on the same toilet seat as a bloke, they are talking about losing what they - rightly or wrongly - view as safe spaces in pubs/restaurants/workplaces. The stonewall presentation had specifically stated that if you saw what by all accounts appeared to be a male entering the female toilets you should not say or do anything because they might be transitioning and it could be offensive. They were very concerned at this advice and where it could lead, and raised their concerns with me as their manager.

The ‘rapists gonna rape’ argument is probably technically true, but feels a bit reductive and dismissive of the feelings of (some) biological females.

First bolded as stated is different due to aeroplane and house bathrooms are private. Whereas public bathroom by it's very own description are public spaces.

As I just said to @Noisy noise annoys I don't actually have a different opinion on the matter. But how you try and address is clearly different to the queer community or stonewall would.

 

[neil999]

Will butch women have to carry id all the time?

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Two examples from today.

Neither of those say ‘all’ priests, which is what you said.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Anyway, happy match day all - let it bring us three points!

 

[Sean Ashley]

Yes @Noisy noise annoys same to you. Hope for a huge win today.

I will just leave this article here. Everything here I agree with and is my sentiments. I'll add a paragraph they use which is something I've constantly used.


"We can have productive and respectful conversations about how to make restrooms and locker rooms more comfortable for everyone, without making it about transgender people."

Transgender People and Bathroom Access | A4TE

Trans people have long been using public restrooms just like everyone else without incident. Most people have shared a public bathroom with a trans person, even if they didn’t know it. It is simply common sense for trans people to use the bathroom that best matches their identity.

transequality.org

 

[Kurt.]

HELP !!!!! I’m dying for a pee but my mrs and daughter are in the house …. After reading this thread I’m too scared to use my bathroom

 

[neil999]

Will you he able to use your library card as Id?

 

[d34noj]

Personally I don't even see this as a 'trans' issue, it's an issue that trans people have unfortunately been dragged into thanks to the actions of perverts 'using gender' as a means of entering womens spaces unchallenged.

Allowing men, regardless of how they identify into womens spaces opens the door for an abuser to enter.