DrEFC
Player Valuation: £40m
Little brother..
Game Of Thrones: Season 8
- Thread starter Debaser
- Start date
- Status
DanEFC92
Player Valuation: £90m
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
GOT has done this throughout though - if you are introduced as a powerful character with a fearsome reputation, you are (with one or two exceptions) dead by this point.
Either Jamie kills her after finding out about the hit on him, but I cant see that as she's pregnant. Cant see Tyrion doing it either, so surely it has to be Arya.
Think that was the sole purpose of the character tbh.
Deckard2049
Player Valuation: £15m
This. People need to remember episode 1.. first scene... before we even meet Ned Stark we are introduced to the white walker threat. A threat which has been built up over nearly a decade. A threat which was supposed to transcend the grievances and differences between warring houses. A threat which was supposed to create an alliance between the living against the dead.
I have no problem Cersei sitting out the battle of winterfell. It’s completely in line with her character. The issue is the resolution (as it stands after episode 3... there are still 3 more to go) to the white walker narrative was not satisfying at all. People say one of the strengths of the show has been its subversive nature, it’s ability to surprise and not conform to established narrative tropes. But the defeat of the night king was not a pleasant shock. This wasn’t Ned Stark or Oberyn Martel. This was bloody awful.
Honestly if this really was the final resolution to the entire white walker narrative then I wish it had never been included to begin with. They’d have been better off sticking with the politics and intrigue, keeping everything firmly based within the laws of physics and reality.
DrEFC
Player Valuation: £40m
Basically the night king had to feel he'd won, and he was about to, to be fair.
Deckard2049
Player Valuation: £15m
His only use was in season 6 when in his training to be the three eyed raven he was able to be used as a device to present the audience with interesting flashbacks, notably at the tower of joy. That’s literally the most valuable thing he’s done the entire show.
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
TBF that is the most subversive thing about GoT (and Martin's works) - the white walker threat should really be the threat that stops the idiocy of man, given its implications and scale. 99% of other fantasy writers would have had some glorious stand against overwhelming odds, saved by whatever that generation of readers liked to think of as heroes - and indeed where GoT has been at its worst has been when the writers turn away from the books and resort to how we as a society expect things to happen (the Dorne nonsense being the best example, but also this).
Martin instead suggests in his books that there is nothing so threatening, no disaster so ruinous that it will ever stop humans acting in their own narrow interests - people will always try and take advantage, use it to get rid of the people they don't like or avoid it entirely and leave others (usually those less able to face it) to face it. Some of them might act nobly, but sooner or later they will be back in the dirt.
It is the best portrayal of who we actually are I can think of, and at a time when the world is awash with idiots and when we are emphatically not facing up to the damage we are doing to the planet it is a point which needs to be made.
*SPOILERS*
It was an amazing episode of TV but... and this has been the sticking point ever since they overtook the books... it somehow ended up being far too contrived.
I didn't even mind the way the King got done in the end. Because up until the very last moment it still looked like he'd won (when he caught Arya).
But Jesus, the writers got pretty much every main character into such a pickle and because somehow most of them survived, that's what seemed to me to basically water it down.
At times during that episode I was genuinely shocked. And it harked back to the first few seasons when you never knew what was going to happen next. But then, like they've tended to do for the past two seasons, they Hollywood their way out of it.
How has one of Jamie/Brienne/Pod/the big ginger bloke not died? I know they're big characters, but there's three episodes left, ffs.
Overall, I did really enjoy it, I just think they managed to get themselves out of an impossible situation and in the process watered down one of what was initially the scariest 'bad guys' on TV (not that the white walkers themselves have actually ever been scary - it's more their army/the dead that are the scary things, and IMO the white walkers should never have been as 'clean' as they look).
Highlights for me:
- The bit where the riders (I can't remember what they're called) head in with the flaming swords, and they're put out one by one. That was classic GOT, and for me reminded me of when the walkers were genuinely scary in the first few seasons. You didn't see it, but you knew what was happening, and that was eerie (where the hell did the wolf go, though? Again, I'm sure the writers have got so over their heads in recent seasons that they just forget things).
- The re-rising of all the dead - and especially the bit in the crypts.
- I had a few seconds during the scene with Sansa and Tyrian where I genuinely thought they were done for. That scene was played perfectly, tbf.
- Killing the giant.
- The ending (the way it was a surprise). But... it's a major plot hole.
- The score throughout was superb. Amazing stuff.
It was an amazing episode of TV but... and this has been the sticking point ever since they overtook the books... it somehow ended up being far too contrived.
I didn't even mind the way the King got done in the end. Because up until the very last moment it still looked like he'd won (when he caught Arya).
But Jesus, the writers got pretty much every main character into such a pickle and because somehow most of them survived, that's what seemed to me to basically water it down.
At times during that episode I was genuinely shocked. And it harked back to the first few seasons when you never knew what was going to happen next. But then, like they've tended to do for the past two seasons, they Hollywood their way out of it.
How has one of Jamie/Brienne/Pod/the big ginger bloke not died? I know they're big characters, but there's three episodes left, ffs.
Overall, I did really enjoy it, I just think they managed to get themselves out of an impossible situation and in the process watered down one of what was initially the scariest 'bad guys' on TV (not that the white walkers themselves have actually ever been scary - it's more their army/the dead that are the scary things, and IMO the white walkers should never have been as 'clean' as they look).
Highlights for me:
- The bit where the riders (I can't remember what they're called) head in with the flaming swords, and they're put out one by one. That was classic GOT, and for me reminded me of when the walkers were genuinely scary in the first few seasons. You didn't see it, but you knew what was happening, and that was eerie (where the hell did the wolf go, though? Again, I'm sure the writers have got so over their heads in recent seasons that they just forget things).
- The re-rising of all the dead - and especially the bit in the crypts.
- I had a few seconds during the scene with Sansa and Tyrian where I genuinely thought they were done for. That scene was played perfectly, tbf.
- Killing the giant.
- The ending (the way it was a surprise). But... it's a major plot hole.
- The score throughout was superb. Amazing stuff.
Last edited:
How do you know, mate?
Not that I don't believe you. It's just that the writers genuinely seem to forget to include key details.
Let's all be honest, the show in the last few seasons has been saved by the good will of the first five. It's far too Hollywood for it's own good because at it's premise it's a dark show and the characters aren't meant to be superheroes.
he's a little freak, wish they'd bin him off
Yeh. I think the ending could be bought a bit easier if they'd just had the balls to do what old GoT would and knock a few of them off - because there's absolutely no reason at this stage in the series not to, as well.
I like all of those characters. But I liked Ned, and Rob, and most of the other 'good guys'.
I reckon if you get yourself in such a hole as a team of writers, you've got to stress just how effed these characters are.
The trailer for ep 4.
- Status