DanEFC92
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Mad how no one of any note, I don't think, was offed in the crypts.
Game Of Thrones: Season 8
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Mad how no one of any note, I don't think, was offed in the crypts.
Great score all the way through - fabulous use of music.
Certain moments, certain scenes, certain individual performances really good.
But my goodness, the plot. Awful.
1 - The assembled commanders leading the defence of Winterfell, supposedly some of the finest military minds available, came up with THOSE tactics?? That alone is ridiculous. The same mistake that the writers made in the Battle of the Bastards - having people do the most mindlessly stupid things in order to bring about "peril" when it goes wrong.
2 - The plot armour for certain characters is nothing short of laughable.
3 - Yet more dragon related idiocy.
4 - Certain characters clearly now posing problems for the writers, who simply don't know what to do with them.
5 - Complete waste of an entire story arc that has been building for several seasons.
The technical staff and the actors are being badly let down by the writing team IMHO.
Certain moments, certain scenes, certain individual performances really good.
But my goodness, the plot. Awful.
1 - The assembled commanders leading the defence of Winterfell, supposedly some of the finest military minds available, came up with THOSE tactics?? That alone is ridiculous. The same mistake that the writers made in the Battle of the Bastards - having people do the most mindlessly stupid things in order to bring about "peril" when it goes wrong.
Charging the entire contingent of Dothraki cavalry into complete darkness, with no idea of the size or disposition of the enemy, is beyond mindlessly implausible. They were fighting a DEFENSIVE action, against a larger enemy force, with the stated aim of trying to get the attacking forces to overextend in order to expose the Night King: sacrificing all cavalry in the first two minutes simply doesn't logically follow. And don't get me started on Jon and Dany each deciding to land their dragons in the middle of the battlefield - deliberately doing the ONLY thing that reduces their battlefield effectiveness AND renders them incredibly vulnerable.
2 - The plot armour for certain characters is nothing short of laughable.
All the Dothraki die. Every. Single. One. But Jorah, who led the charge? Yeah, he makes it back. Because we need a Hollywood ending for him.
Sam Tarly. Seriously. Runs around in the hand to hand repeatedly being pinned down or simply cowering before a wight and offering no resistance, but gets saved over and over.
Jon Snow. For goodness' sake, how many times is he going to make moronic battlefield decisions and survive? Dismounts dragon in the middle of a million corpses to face off against a guy he has ALREADY seen literally raise the dead. Later decides to try to fight a dragon with nowt but a sword.
Jamie, Brienne, Pod, Tormund: all leading infantry detachments at the start that get utterly minced, all leading heroically from the front. Yet all miraculously make it back inside, only to be individually surrounded as the walls are breached and the rest of the defenders are slaughtered... and then the ice dragon blows hundreds of square feet of castle to pieces. And they all survive.
Greyworm makes grimly suicidal decisions against overwhelming odds, disciplined to the very end, in order to execute orders which will definitely get him killed but will save others. Survives.
Every named character taking refuge in the crypt: subjected to a surprise attack from all sides, largely unarmed. All survive... by hiding behind things.
Sam Tarly. Seriously. Runs around in the hand to hand repeatedly being pinned down or simply cowering before a wight and offering no resistance, but gets saved over and over.
Jon Snow. For goodness' sake, how many times is he going to make moronic battlefield decisions and survive? Dismounts dragon in the middle of a million corpses to face off against a guy he has ALREADY seen literally raise the dead. Later decides to try to fight a dragon with nowt but a sword.
Jamie, Brienne, Pod, Tormund: all leading infantry detachments at the start that get utterly minced, all leading heroically from the front. Yet all miraculously make it back inside, only to be individually surrounded as the walls are breached and the rest of the defenders are slaughtered... and then the ice dragon blows hundreds of square feet of castle to pieces. And they all survive.
Greyworm makes grimly suicidal decisions against overwhelming odds, disciplined to the very end, in order to execute orders which will definitely get him killed but will save others. Survives.
Every named character taking refuge in the crypt: subjected to a surprise attack from all sides, largely unarmed. All survive... by hiding behind things.
3 - Yet more dragon related idiocy.
The dragons are at their most effective strafing ground troops. Jon and Dany both agree in ep.2 that they need to be close enough to act when the Night King appears, but not so close to Bran that the Night King spots the trap... so they should be strafing ground troops. The retreat phase of the plan DEPENDS on them strafing the trench to set it alight. So of course, after NOT strafing ahead of the Dothraki and only briefly supporting the Unsullied and and the rest of the infantry, Jon and Dany decide to go looking for the Night King instead... moving AWAY from Bran, away from the trench, away from the defending ground troops who cannot possibly hold the castle without them.
4 - Certain characters clearly now posing problems for the writers, who simply don't know what to do with them.
5 - Complete waste of an entire story arc that has been building for several seasons.
The technical staff and the actors are being badly let down by the writing team IMHO.
Zatara
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what was the point of the dothraki charge at the beginning? I know they are famed for their charges but into oblivion?
It looks like theyre making Arya the star of this series, last episode she slept with someone out of the blue so its all about her and this one she does ths business...not much focus on the others.
Greyworm was the real hero that episode for me, basically on a suicide mission from the beginning
It looks like theyre making Arya the star of this series, last episode she slept with someone out of the blue so its all about her and this one she does ths business...not much focus on the others.
Greyworm was the real hero that episode for me, basically on a suicide mission from the beginning
is it just me or was it always a theory that killing the night king would kill all the undead? Was this ever verified as something that was true? its just seems like a cop out to stop the battle once he's dead and they all just die and the white walkers dissipate into nothing. I dunno part of me thinks that was just way too convenient, i mean when he died the undead army could have just retreated and gone away then there is always that threat that they might come back again one day with a new leader but meh this is just my rant
DanEFC92
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It's too much like the one ring in LoTR or destroying the main battleship that controls the droids in Phantom Menace, etc etc it;s a trope used in countless other sci-fi films.
And I thought GRRM was against all that.
There is no way on Earth GRRM had ANYTHING to do with the writing of this episode.
DanEFC92
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Dunno. He has producing credits still, and difficult to imagine he doesn't have a say in the major plot threads. Dealing with the whitewalkers being a biggie.
I think its safe to say he had zero input on this Hollywood action flick.
I enjoyed it, for what it was, an hour of eye candy, they built up at the start, then all hell broke loose, then in the end the good guys won.
Enjoy it for what it was, a total Hollywood cop-out, but still an excellent way to spend an hour.
I enjoyed it, for what it was, an hour of eye candy, they built up at the start, then all hell broke loose, then in the end the good guys won.
Enjoy it for what it was, a total Hollywood cop-out, but still an excellent way to spend an hour.
DanEFC92
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It's so far away from what it used to be in 1-4.
A proper missed opportunity. And it's just sad.
I don't disagree. It wasn't bad or anything. It's just not 'special' anymore.
...I enjoyed it.
left wondering , were are Stark and co going to get an army from to continue the fight as most of there men are now dead?
Kenshin
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My 2 cents on the episode
Not as good as hardhome, that was the pinnacle of the show for me.
But getting into last night's episode. For me the overall story arch should have had the show end with the white walker's. Basically that's what the underlying story of got has been this whole time so to feature them so little and end it before the end of the show is a little underwhelming. Still no real characterisation of the night king and no real cool moment.
What should have happened for visual bleakness is that the humans win the battle. Play it off as it went but then have them stand their ground and win, suffer heavy casualties but drive the white walker's into the ground and stand victorious . Then night king flies down into the battlefield, raises his arms and the whole battlefield raises , friend and foe. Giving them a hopeless feeling much greater than the way they played it out.
I agree the cavelry was wasted and 2 dragons were very ineffective over the course of the whole battle.
My concern is that the show has peaked now. The next direction is cersi and kings landing but I can't see the show really standing as big knowing how the battle will play out. It's not quite as exciting as fighting the dead is it?
Plus relating to an above point. Now we know it will be only one of a few who will end up on the throne. Whereas ending with the living Vs dead gave them much more scope to leave the idea a mystery as they could give us shock deaths to leave us guessing.
Right now it's John, dany, araya or cersi ending on top.
Not as good as hardhome, that was the pinnacle of the show for me.
But getting into last night's episode. For me the overall story arch should have had the show end with the white walker's. Basically that's what the underlying story of got has been this whole time so to feature them so little and end it before the end of the show is a little underwhelming. Still no real characterisation of the night king and no real cool moment.
What should have happened for visual bleakness is that the humans win the battle. Play it off as it went but then have them stand their ground and win, suffer heavy casualties but drive the white walker's into the ground and stand victorious . Then night king flies down into the battlefield, raises his arms and the whole battlefield raises , friend and foe. Giving them a hopeless feeling much greater than the way they played it out.
I agree the cavelry was wasted and 2 dragons were very ineffective over the course of the whole battle.
My concern is that the show has peaked now. The next direction is cersi and kings landing but I can't see the show really standing as big knowing how the battle will play out. It's not quite as exciting as fighting the dead is it?
Plus relating to an above point. Now we know it will be only one of a few who will end up on the throne. Whereas ending with the living Vs dead gave them much more scope to leave the idea a mystery as they could give us shock deaths to leave us guessing.
Right now it's John, dany, araya or cersi ending on top.
TraffordBlue
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Re: the characters:
Agree 100%. It's left me disappointed and has done for a few seasons because the shocking and heartbreaking deaths as well as the surprising ones in seasons 1 - 4 are what made this series stand out from the rest for me. Now they seem to just be keeping characters alive to appease some of the fans. If they want to do that then I can go along with it, but don't have them all in grave danger with no chance and then come up with repetitive ways to keep them alive.
If you take Arya for example, I can go along with her survival due to her character and what she has learned and trained for throughout the series. Yet Sam and Pod are on the front line against an army that obliterates the Dothraki in seconds and they both survive. lol
Another moment that began brilliantly was when the Night King raised the dead. Given how the NK did it, Jon Snow should have ended there, so again why put him in the middle of that if they want to keep him alive? Just completely ruined that scene for me. Also completely ridiculous how the Dothraki, are up there with the most feared fighters in the world and got annihilated at the start, and then the Night King raises all the dead from the Battle meaning the living who were tired have to face even worse odds, but the likes of Pod just carries on fighting. Even Brienne and Tormund shouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in that scenario that they came up with.
If you take Arya for example, I can go along with her survival due to her character and what she has learned and trained for throughout the series. Yet Sam and Pod are on the front line against an army that obliterates the Dothraki in seconds and they both survive. lol
Another moment that began brilliantly was when the Night King raised the dead. Given how the NK did it, Jon Snow should have ended there, so again why put him in the middle of that if they want to keep him alive? Just completely ruined that scene for me. Also completely ridiculous how the Dothraki, are up there with the most feared fighters in the world and got annihilated at the start, and then the Night King raises all the dead from the Battle meaning the living who were tired have to face even worse odds, but the likes of Pod just carries on fighting. Even Brienne and Tormund shouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in that scenario that they came up with.
Can anyone explain that scene with Arya creeping round trying to avoid detection inside? I can't understand why it was all so quiet and they were all walking round whilst their apparent mission was to eliminate the living?
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