Fellaini wants to leave Everton?

[toffeechris]

So you're saying that Heitinga isn't good then ?

*gets graph paper*

hes not as good as jags or distin no and anytime iv seen holland play a half decent international team he has been shocking and loads of dutch fans say the same

 

[Brennan]

hes not as good as jags or distin no and anytime iv seen holland play a half decent international team he has been shocking and loads of dutch fans say the same

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[TR]
[TD](Same minutes played)[/TD]
[TD]Heitinga[/TD]
[TD]Jagielka[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Ground 50/50 win %[/TD]
[TD]56%[/TD]
[TD]75%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aerial 50/50 win %[/TD]
[TD]51%[/TD]
[TD]72%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tackle win %[/TD]
[TD]75%[/TD]
[TD]70%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Defensive errors[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Minutes per loss of possession[/TD]
[TD]508[/TD]
[TD]214[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pass completion[/TD]
[TD]79%[/TD]
[TD]74%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Goals conceded[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]31
[/TD]
[/TR]
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I'd say he comes off pretty well like.

 

[Phenom]

He said he's happy here and is looking forward to this season.

To be fair the sceptics are right in saying that his response last night didn't really refute the original 'quotes' in any way. If anything it just went along with them in a nice manner.

"I was very surprised to read the reports that I'm leaving Everton"

That's good enough for me, why make something up what isn't there.

 

[Brennan]

"I was very surprised to read the reports that I'm leaving Everton"

That's good enough for me, why make something up what isn't there.

Good enough for me too mate, just pointing out why some people still think he wants out.

 

[toffeechris]

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[TD](Same minutes played)[/TD]
[TD]Heitinga[/TD]
[TD]Jagielka[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ground 50/50 win %[/TD]
[TD]56%[/TD]
[TD]75%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aerial 50/50 win %[/TD]
[TD]51%[/TD]
[TD]72%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tackle win %[/TD]
[TD]75%[/TD]
[TD]70%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Defensive errors[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Minutes per loss of possession[/TD]
[TD]508[/TD]
[TD]214[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pass completion[/TD]
[TD]79%[/TD]
[TD]74%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Goals conceded[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]31
[/TD]
[/TR]
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I'd say he comes off pretty well like.

well thankfully moyes dosnt look into stats like that before he picks the team and were a better team defensive with jags and distin

 

[LTblue]

This thread makes me want the transfer window to come back.

 

[micknick]

Heitinga mate. The club were offering him around.

Really?! I didnt know this, wasnt on twitter.

 

[MrD]

"I was very surprised to read the reports that I'm leaving Everton"

That's good enough for me, why make something up what isn't there.

I get what you're saying mate and it's good enough for me too...

but to play devils advocate here, what else do you expect him to say? I'm all for him wanting to stay but i fully expect him to leave sooner rather than later. He's certainly not gonna come out and slaughter the club and reaffirm he want's to do one so soon after the window has shut is he?!

He doesn't want to burn his bridges.

 

[Phenom]

*puts head down bog and flushes

 

[dunkster123]

Weird because he has looked so happy of late. is this simply a scare tactic toward moyes for letting him return to his usual defensive role?

 

[Brennan]

well thankfully moyes dosnt look into stats like that before he picks the team and were a better team defensive with jags and distin

You mean like when he picked Cahill for the majority of last season because we were a better attacking team with him behind the striker ?

OH WAIT !

 

[Del]

*puts head down bog and flushes

*Pisses on Phenoms head*

 

[hktoffee]

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/8069890/report-no-fellaini-action

And no Vadis appeal FFS.

 

[Phenom]

*Pisses on Phenoms head*

It would of been easier to hack my calves lad.

 

[billycopper]

I suggest that's not true. I would imagine that the difference it makes becomes progressively greater as the contract shortens. Put another way, are you seriously suggesting that when a player only has 18 months left to run on a contract the club says to itself "Absolutely no need to worry, he's got more than a year left so that's the same as having five years left"?

I don't have Fellaini's assists stats to hand, but I'd like to compare the two of them over the 2008 - 2012 period, rather than just one year. We didn't compare their international caps based on one year, or their goals. And why not also consider where PSG might use him? I bet SAF wouldn't just deploy him as a defensive midfielder if United purchased him either. it's not just about Chelsea and Real.



All valid points. Felli of course has the greater international experience by some margin, so I'd say in the balance they are comparable. In fact, I've already said that. Oh and look, Martinez cost £32m. So we are back to where I started, stating that we should be looking for more than that, and accepting bids of £32m and above.



The different approach was "sell early for big(ish) money; buy early (Pienaar, Mirallas, Oviedo)". I humbly suggest that represents a deviation from the previous model: "Sell Arteta an hour before the window shuts and desperately rush some loans in as cover". Totally accept your points re keeping it quiet, first offers and triggering auctions though. Definitely questions that the club should at least be asking of themselves, if not openly discussing in public.



Have you considered that Milan decided £49m was a bloody good price for the pair? Who do you feel did best out of that deal? I think PSG paid over the odds personally, and that prices are still inflated... Witsel for £32m mean anything to you? I agree that more than £32m would be difficult if there isn't more than one team interested, but just because there's no apparent interest now doesn't mean there won't be real interest in summer 2013, or summer 2014.



In the same way that Felli is, having played over 200 games for Everton and Standard Liege with more than four times as many international caps as Martinez whilst only being ten months older. Neither of them are the complete player yet, but they are both comparable.



You're applying factors specific to this summer and using them to suggest that Real won't be interested in a year, or 18 months or two years' time. Alonso will turn 32 in November 2014, and Fellaini will turn 26 in the same month. They might not want to pay £32m for Alonso to have a buddy now, but they will consider spending big in the next season or two to purchase his replacement.



Don't want to sell Felli to a prem team, so not as worried. Would be nice to have them interested in order to push the price a bit, but unless they are looking to move on from Mikel/Obi I would agree with you.

Fingers crossed we qualify for CL this year so that this argument becomes redundant!

For argument's sake his value won't be £40m with 5 years left, £35m with 4 years left, £30m with 3 years left etc. Arteta and Rodwell both had a long time left to run on their deals but the money we got for them wasn't any greater than their value if they had 18 months left to run.

Fellaini provided 3 goals and 4 assists last year. Your argument was that Song is just a defensive player, whereas Felli could also be played offensively and so should be more expensive. But Song had a direct hand in over 50% more goals than our man did. Fergie berates our "long ball" approach and hasn't really used a target man since Dion Dublin. He has Rooney, Van Persie, Kagawa, Valencia, Young, Wellbeck, Nani etc to make and score goals but only Carrick and Jones to protect the back four. If they played Fellaini behind Van Persie then Rooney would have to switch to the left or drop out of the side. That's not going to happen.

Martinez plays for the World and European Champions and finds his chances limited by Alonso and Busquets. If he played for any other country he would have as many caps as Fellaini. Marouane's 28 extra caps really don't make up the difference.

Now Witsel is an interesting yardstick. His career goalscoring record is about 1 in 5 and he's scored 8 goals in 40 European appearances. They've certainly paid over the odds for him and it's difficult to see why they would spend so much on him when they could probably get better value elsewhere.

If Felli has decided that he wants to move then he's not going to wait two years for it to happen.

It looks like Chelsea's preferred option in front of the back four is Mikel and Lampard. Obi has underwhelmed and Lamps can't have too much longer left to go at the top. I'm surprised they haven't addressed it before now. Maybe they're planning on using Ramires, Oscar or Bertrand behind a front three of Mata, Torres and Hazard? They have looked especially leaky though. How long before they address it?

I'm sure that he will move on to a team with a lot of money at some point. If we're considered to be a force in European football by that stage it will certainly help with the price.