Everton: we look an unhappy camp

[Ernie]

We still may.

Well yes we could, Given the evidence so far I doubt it

 

[The Rhino]

Not sure why you bring up Martinez because frankly its irrelevant, More so given 4 of the first team are Koemans signings

Pressing - That's all down to the manager and his training/coaching, He sets them up and gives instuctions

Most sides below us lack a quality number 10, I'm not sure why that would be an excuse for us to play bland, boring football

Fresh legs - Most sides have a mixture of youth and older heads, We are no different, If it was that simple then Koeman should lash the u21's out there

And 3 of those 4 signings have been our best players alongside Lukaku man. No one is happy with our performances at the moment, but unlike yourself some of our fanbase thankfully realise Koeman has had less than half a season with the squad, that Walsh came in late as DOF in the window in a system that was previously alien to the club, and that the current squad has been lacklustre In the previous 2 seasons under a bloke that didn't believe In training the defence or pressing an opposition.

To be fuming right now when we are level on points with 6th place Utd is utterly hilarious.

 

[Ernie]

And 3 of those 4 signings have been our best players alongside Lukaku man. No one is happy with our performances at the moment, but unlike yourself some of our fanbase thankfully realise Koeman has had less than half a season with the squad, that Walsh came in late as DOF in the window in a system that was previously alien to the club, and that the current squad has been lacklustre In the previous 2 seasons under a bloke that didn't believe In training the defence or pressing an opposition.

To be fuming right now when we are level on points with 6th place Utd is utterly hilarious.

Its not though is it, It's looking at the bigger picture rather than league position and not burying our heads in the sand

 

[ilikecheese]

Its not though is it, It's looking at the bigger picture rather than league position and not burying our heads in the sand

It's only been 5 minutes but Boro look better than we did vs Chelsea...actually beating their press.

 

[banno]

Its not though is it, It's looking at the bigger picture rather than league position and not burying our heads in the sand

Don't think people are burying there heads in the sand as such. They are seeing all is not right but on the other hand know we have a new manager who is trying to bring a system to Everton. He has admitted himself that we need more signings so that is the first clue he is not happy with his lot. Sometimes systems take a period of time to bear fruition...look at Klopp for instance. Conte didn't start brightly with his all star team but its bearing fruit now. Time and more of his type of player is needed then judgement can be passed on his tenure but just think its far too early to judge him properly. If this time next season we are still playing as we are with no progress in sight then fair enough we can criticise and have doubts in him

 

[Ernie]

It's only been 5 minutes but Boro look better than we did vs Chelsea...actually beating their press.

Yes but the Boro manager has been there ages and has his own players, How can Koeman be expected to get these strangers playing decent football

 

[Ernie]

Don't think people are burying there heads in the sand as such. They are seeing all is not right but on the other hand know we have a new manager who is trying to bring a system to Everton. He has admitted himself that we need more signings so that is the first clue he is not happy with his lot. Sometimes systems take a period of time to bear fruition...look at Klopp for instance. Conte didn't start brightly with his all star team but its bearing fruit now. Time and more of his type of player is needed then judgement can be passed on his tenure but just think its far too early to judge him properly. If this time next season we are still playing as we are with no progress in sight then fair enough we can criticise and have doubts in him

After 12 games what would you say that system is mate?

What apart from not overplaying at the back has changed?

 

[The Rhino]

Its not though is it, It's looking at the bigger picture rather than league position and not burying our heads in the sand

What bigger picture? That we are not challenging for the title with the same side bar 2 or 3 from the same unfit side not used to pressing or defending that finished bottom half in the previous 2 seasons?

Haway then let's sack Koeman who should we bring in?

 

[The Rhino]

Yes but the Boro manager has been there ages and has his own players, How can Koeman be expected to get these strangers playing decent football

You seem jealous of 16th placed Boro mate.

 

[windymiller]

You have to albowledge where we are coming from. 5 wins in 12 isn't great, but we only won 5 in the previous 18 league games, so that's progression of sorts.

Sure, a bit, not a lot, and it was a pretty low base we were starting from. The suggestions that it is all the players fault or all the coaches fault or all the fault of Moshiri/Elstone/Kenwright for a substandard squad are all flawed in isolation but also failing to acknowledge that there is a problem at all is weird. Something is wrong (probably a number of things) and that needs to be identified and addressed because we are approaching a tough run of fixtures and we don't want to go another six games with only one win (or worse).

 

[ianefc]

Sure, a bit, not a lot, and it was a pretty low base we were starting from. The suggestions that it is all the players fault or all the coaches fault or all the fault of Moshiri/Elstone/Kenwright for a substandard squad are all flawed in isolation but also failing to acknowledge that there is a problem at all is weird. Something is wrong (probably a number of things) and that needs to be identified and addressed because we are approaching a tough run of fixtures and we don't want to go another six games with only one win (or worse).

I agree, but this isn't all on Koeman.

 

[Ernie]

What bigger picture? That we are not challenging for the title with the same side bar 2 or 3 from the same unfit side not used to pressing or defending that finished bottom half in the previous 2 seasons?

Haway then let's sack Koeman who should we bring in?

No excuses now to be unfit, He's had them for 5 months

 

[windymiller]

I agree, but this isn't all on Koeman.

No arguments here, but he has done some odd things and his comments on Rom and the RS title challenge were naïve at best and don't help him with the fan base.

 

[ianefc]

No arguments here, but he has done some odd things and his comments on Rom and the RS title challenge were naïve at best and don't help him with the fan base.

That was all a bit small time for me. Stupid comments admittedly. But no different to when gerrard said sewer rat should wait for "a Real or Barca and not join a Arsenal" I don't remember the same fume from their lot.

 

[The Rhino]

No excuses now to be unfit, He's had them for 5 months

Whatever mate clearly stick with your "bigger picture" which involves sacking a good manager after 13 games whilst we sit 7th 5 points off 5th after 2 previous seasons of bottom half finishes.