Everton: we look an unhappy camp

[The Rhino]

Same Liverpool that reached two cup finals?

You do realise that Klopp has only signed 4 players, Koemans already brought in the same amount

All I keep seeing is we need to sign 6-7 players, We need to move on all the dead wood before anything improves

Baffling that we need to overhaul half the first team to see Koeman produce some decent football

Klopp finished 8th and had nearly 3/4 of a season with the squad. Koemans not even had 1/2 a season and still has players who should have been shipped out in the summer.

You can tell me Jagielka, Baines, Steklenburg, Mirallas and 35 year old Barry are going to get us into the top 6 and I'll call bull (we are joint 6th with a side that just spent a world record fee for a player).

Fact is the board need to back the manager to the hilt In January and in the summer next season. If that happens and a season on we are still playing poor fair enough the managers position needs to be looked at but he's got a hell of a job cleaning up the previous managers mess.

Can he do it? His saints side played boss footie and they finished around the top 6 so I say he can, whereas the bloke before relegated his previous club prior to joining us.

 

[ianefc]

How exactly have you come to the conclusion that being just 2 points better off than we were in a season in which we finished in the bottom half and sacked our manager for underperforming is not cause for concern?

Erm...because this was the opinion Of the OP after our 12th league game last season. That very same 12th game got us our 17th point - 2 less then we are currently on - I think this highlights the agenda.

So in summary 12 games played 17 points in 15/16 the season was on track (we'd lost the same amount and won 1 less)

Now 19 points from 12 games and we have an unhappy camp lollollol

 

[Lanolin]

Same Liverpool that reached two cup finals?

You do realise that Klopp has only signed 4 players, Koemans already brought in the same amount

All I keep seeing is we need to sign 6-7 players, We need to move on all the dead wood before anything improves

Baffling that we need to overhaul half the first team to see Koeman produce some decent football

Totally agree. Aside from wenger, which manager has a team made up entirely of his own players? The idea that we'll only improve when all 18 players in the squad are of Koeman's choosing is ridiculous.

 

[Ernie]

Klopp finished 8th and had nearly 3/4 of a season with the squad. Koemans not even had 1/2 a season and still has players who should have been shipped out in the summer.

You can tell me Jagielka, Baines, Steklenburg, Mirallas and 35 year old Barry are going to get us into the top 6 and I'll call bull (we are joint 6th with a side that just spent a world record fee for a player).

Fact is the board need to back the manager to the hilt In January and in the summer next season. If that happens and a season on we are still playing poor fair enough the managers position needs to be looked at but he's got a hell of a job cleaning up the previous managers mess.

Can he do it? His saints side played boss footie and they finished around the top 6 so I say he can, whereas the bloke before relegated his previous club prior to joining us.

Why is there a constant batting away of the main point in the whole thread

WHY ISN'T KOEMAN PRODUCING BETTER QUALITY FOOTBALL?

Answer me that question instead of banging on about Liverpool/Klopp/Top 6

 

[ianefc]

Same Liverpool that reached two cup finals?

You do realise that Klopp has only signed 4 players, Koemans already brought in the same amount

All I keep seeing is we need to sign 6-7 players, We need to move on all the dead wood before anything improves

Baffling that we need to overhaul half the first team to see Koeman produce some decent football

Yeah because we have the likes of Coutinho in our squad.

 

[Ernie]

Totally agree. Aside from wenger, which manager has a team made up entirely of his own players? The idea that we'll only improve when all 18 players in the squad are of Koeman's choosing is ridiculous.

Yet that's the general feeling on this site

Koeman can't possibly get this squad playing decent football because they are all crap and need to be replaced

Lets not forget that 4 of the starting eleven are his signings (Sket/Williams/Gana/Bolasie)

 

[Ernie]

Yeah because we have the likes of Coutinho in our squad.

Sorry mate, Didn't realise you needed him to allow good football to be played, I stand corrected

 

[ianefc]

Sorry mate, Didn't realise you needed him to allow good football to be played, I stand corrected

**the likes of

We have no one near that ability, let alone the ability to close down.

 

[davek]

Erm...because this was the opinion Of the OP after our 12th league game last season. That very same 12th game got us our 17th point - 2 less then we are currently on - I think this highlights the agenda.

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So in summary 12 games played 17 points in 15/16 the season was on track (we'd lost the same amount and won 1 less)

Now 19 points from 12 games and we have an unhappy camp lollollol

I explained that a few pages back. You didn't read it..or did and cant take it on board.

*shrugs*

 

[Ernie]

**the likes of

We have no one near that ability, let alone the ability to close down.

So every team below the top 4 plays poor,boring football?

 

[Huyton Layne]

This is what happens when you starve lazy spoilt millionaires of drizzle cake. Let's go back to half arsed training, cake AOTS and let's see those smiles again.

 

[ianefc]

I explained that a few pages back. You didn't read it..or did and cant take it on board.

*shrugs*

I'm sure you did.

 

[ianefc]

So every team below the top 4 plays poor,boring football?

Not every team was savaged by Martinez.

 

[The Rhino]

Why is there a constant batting away of the main point in the whole thread

WHY ISN'T KOEMAN PRODUCING BETTER QUALITY FOOTBALL?

Answer me that question instead of banging on about Liverpool/Klopp/Top 6

Because the answer isn't as simple as that. Martinez was meant to be a tiki taka God yet we were effing boring under his management for the previous 2 seasons.

I'll name you the main reasons that I believe:

1. The team don't press near enough

2. The team lacks a play maker in the side

3. The team requires fresh legs rather than the old guard of Barry, Jags, Williams and Baines.

Fix those 3 with new signings in their prime (not 20 year old prospects or 32 year olds) but Payet like signings in their prime who have the mentality and physicality to press the opposition and play with fight and desire and we'll get there.

At the moment it all comes back to the pee poor summer for me. Walsh and Koeman now have had the time to address targets give them a chance FFS. people would think we are sat in mid table being told all is phenomenal.

 

[Ernie]

Not every team was savaged by Martinez.

HAHAHAHA YYYYEEEEESSSSS

IT WAZ MARTINEZ