Everton: we look an unhappy camp

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

our key players are Lukaku Bolasie Barry and Williams. Barry wasn't playing and the other three wont have got back to Finch Farm til Friday after the internationals. I'm therefore not surprised we looked disjointed, we also had McCarthy Baines and Lennon coming back into the first team with no match fitness.

So what are the reasons for 1 win in the last 7 prem league games mate?

 

[Prevenger17]

I'm surprised Koeman's famed sense of humour has so far failed to lift the camp

 

[scratchnsurf]

Can you (or anyone else) highlight a game where we have had an unfavourable result this season and Koeman has not blamed the players?

Literally every single game he blames the players...if i had a manager like that and was on £50k+++ id probably switch off too.

Has he praised them when they've done well though Zat? That seems a better approach than praising them continuously, even when they've obviously been a load of rubbish.

 

[Prevenger17]

I'm also surprised to see the same couple of professionals who visibly downed tools last season haven't suddenly developed character or a sense of obligation

 

[Furey1878]

@The Esk

 

[Joey66]

our key players are Lukaku Bolasie Barry and Williams. Barry wasn't playing and the other three wont have got back to Finch Farm til Friday after the internationals. I'm therefore not surprised we looked disjointed, we also had McCarthy Baines and Lennon coming back into the first team with no match fitness.

Also we were playing the bottom of the league with 9 changes with no forward playing -if that game was over the park it would have been 5 or six to that lot they I am afraid to admit it that lot are everything we are not !
Down to the manager he as added to the squad yet we play the slow football we did under RM!
wheres the high pressing game he talks of our midfield consist of two really good players Gana and RB - the last time we won something we had four good midfielders!
also a far better manager!

 

[Ernie]

When Valencia ran on to the pitch at San Mamés last night, Athletic gave them a guard of honour; by the time they trudged off the pitch at San Mamés, Athletic had given them a kicking. The side that hadn't managed to score more than twice at home all season and that had only once scored three - when they visited Valencia - had banged in five. Five more nails in Koeman's coffin. "The dressing room," said Raúl Albiol, "is a funeral" - and the funeral was Koeman's.

 

[Kev50]

So what are the reasons for 1 win in the last 7 prem league games mate?

I've explained yeserday, good point at City, good three at West Ham, slightly disappointing against Palace obv thumped against Chelsea, very unlucky at Burnley and crap against Bournemouth. before that very good against Middlesborough

 

[davek]

I'd like to find much to pull you up on - but I can't.

Jagielka has been carrying a physical spare tyre for a year or more, he now seems to have a mental one, not just in the wedding planner dept. - as soon as that ball started bouncing about getting into the area with only the Icelander (not even going to attempt to spell that) having any sort of control of it (now there's the Swansea player you could've signed Ron) there was only one conclusion.
McCarthy and Cleverly have the legs for the modern game - but not a brain between them
Barkley has neither - just a super instinctive talent.
Barry; pity we can't wind back the clock 5yrs
Good luck with getting Lukaku 'pressing' for more than 10 mins per half - without goals, yes he needs feeding, but true strikers get goals in poor teams as well - so without goals, is he only a very expensive version of the Big Vic of 5yrs ago who was by all accounts 'unplayable' yesterday.

On a Tangent-ish
Moyes was Inflexible
Martinez was too
Is Koeman?
If he is then Moshiri needs to remind him about maybe revisiting this stance...especially Re. younger players - If you don't buy a ticket, you won't win the raffle...the prize might be a booby prize, but sometimes you have to buy the ticket on the off chance just to see.
Though how long he remains so is another matter. Then again how often has our man been unplayable recently.

edit; on another tangent, how was the crowd? quiet? my feed provider seemed to have the 'sound' turned down - and I also noticed more than the normal amount of empty seats

I take your point about the types of uneven ability we have in this team. However, I must return to the point already made that in the first five games of this season the very same players looked very much up for the new level of intensity required to make sense of Koeman's approach to football. I'd actually say that could easily have been a perfect first five game start because the endeavour against Spurs deserved more than a point.

Here's the thing though: it's a concern that the team are now looking like an outfit only just introduced to the intensity Koeman prefers. They should at this stage be more comfortable with it rather than less so. It's as if they've decided that, 'well, we can ease our way into games and get Lukaku or Bolasie clear to score and dictate from that point'. It's gone backward, lost its way. And most onlookers seem to be comforting themselves with some notion that we'll simply sell all the shirkers and get players in who can follow the instructions to a tee. That is fantasy Island stuff for me. We're not at that place as a club, despite what the owner's cheer-leaders tell you.

Koeman needs to introduce Davies at a minimum. He needs to bench until he's sold Jagielka. He needs to stop ballsing about with pacifying Everton's old guard and giving them a status they dont deserve. And he needs to shut his grid in public criticising these players and do it where it should be done: Finch Farm.

 

[Ernie]

Alkmaar under Koeman have failed to impress.

The club are fourth and last in their Champions League group ahead of next week’s trip to Belgian side Standard Liege.

And on the domestic front Friday’s 2-1 loss to Vitesse Arnhem left them in sixth place, 16 points adrift of Dutch first division leaders FC Twente.

A statement on the club’s website confirming Koeman’s departure said: “The management no longer see on what sporting basis our relationship with Koeman can continue.”

The statement added that they hoped to announce a replacement “as quickly as possible”.

“I’m disappointed with this decision,” said Koeman, who stepped in after van Gaal’s move to Bayern Munich.

“I had the impression that things were coming together over the past few weeks and that the management had confidence in me.

“Friday’s game against Vitesse was bad, I accept that. But this ddecision has disappointed me greatly.”

Former Dutch international Koeman started his coaching career as Guus Hiddink’s right-hand man with the national team from 1997-1998.

 

[Connor]

 

[ianefc]

I was just looking for consistency

 

[davek]

The highlighted is about all I agree with.
I'm not quite sure what you expected Dave.
He's a football Manager not Jesus Christ.
I defy almost anyone to do better after what he was left to work with.

Silk Purse and Sow's ear, roughly translated, you can't make CL winners after what Martinez left behind, give him a chance

First five games: 13 points out of 15.
Last seven games: 6 points out of 21.

Same players, different level of performance.

It's happening for a reason.

There's some absolute nonsense being talked about our players available to Koeman, one that outsiders are picking up on - as with Collymore's discussion with the esk last night. He looked down at the line up we had out vis-a-vis Swansea and shook his head in disbelief that we could almost be turned over by comfortably the biggest car crash club in the PL...at home.

 

[TheFinnFan]

....another 'day after defeat' thread. Perhaps the players aren't buying into what RK wants. If that's the case he needs to try and move them on or we'll dip like last season.

Well im pretty sure it's not that they wouldnt buy Koemans system. But if thats the case Koeman should kick them whiners out of the club.

 

[Kev50]

Also we were playing the bottom of the league with 9 changes with no forward playing -if that game was over the park it would have been 5 or six to that lot they I am afraid to admit it that lot are everything we are not !
Down to the manager he as added to the squad yet we play the slow football we did under RM!
wheres the high pressing game he talks of our midfield consist of two really good players Gana and RB - the last time we won something we had four good midfielders!
also a far better manager!

with the best will in the world you're not gonna get much pressing from Lukaku and Bolasie after they've been flying all over the place that week. Mccarthy Baines and Lennon all lack fitness, it's just one of those days, I expect better at Soton next week.