Everton vs Burnley / Sun 23rd 15:00

[Nebbiolo]

Wrong on so many levels.

I'd say the lad had it about right, Bill. Moyes has made a mess out of the whole Lescott saga.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

But on Thursday they werent goals worked from the right wing, and not by Osman - unless you call falling over by a light tap a foul for the 2 set-piece goals that Rodwell got when the ball bounced from 5 players a "set-up". Fellaini set up the 1st, Pienaar the 3rd, and Saha basically created the 4th on his own.

He's not a winger, never has been. When he plays well is when he moves inside more centrally. When he does that...it leaves massive gaps on the right so Hibbert cant get forward. Osman rarely tracks back with his right back, offers not support for him. Hibberts not great (he likes to back off and back off for an enternity from attackers) but he's hasnt had an out and out winger or someone that covers for him so it hurts his game.

Osman was awful today and was bullied off the ball like he was 10 years old. He's got no strength whatsoever, not to beat anyone or take any one on down the wing. Left backs eat him for breakfast.

I'd honestly play him in central midfield but on paper Fellaini and Cahill are much stronger and offer a fight.

The reason why Pienaar and Baines arent clicking (I think they are, they're the far most creative in the team and most engergetic) is because its exactly what we said at the end of last year - stop the left and pound he right and you'll stop everton.

Osman created Saha's goal with an intelligent pass into feet.

The reason Baines and Pienaar aren't clicking is because we aren't getting them into the positions to. As I've said many times, a midfield of Cahill, Rodwell and Fellaini will not control possession or hold onto the ball. If no one links with Pienaar then Baines can't bomb on.

The central midfield is as bad as the right handside, worse in my opinion.

 

[chicoazul]

Regarding Howard, here are the goals from Arsenal, and if you watch them carefully, I'm sure some of you might see what I see .

Everton 1 - Arsenal 6[/media]

Goal 1: Long range shot. Not much chance to save.
Goal 2: Look where Howard is standing. Left corner. Total open goal
Goal 3: Totally flat footed. No movement at all from Howard.
Goal 4: Between Howards legs. Again flat footed.
Goal 5: Another long range shot, and another flat footed keeper.
Goal 6: Very slow reaction. The ball is almost past him before he dives.

Here is the Burnley goal :

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKNXuDJE75g

Look how far off his line Howard is . He lets this type of goal in regularly from long range shots through being too far off his line all the time .

FA Cup final

YouTube - Chelsea Everton 2-1 FA CUP FINAL(30/05/09)[/media]

Flat footed again on 1st goal, so no movement.
2nd goal look how far off his line he is. He starts to move backwards but it's too late. Lampard has seen the opportunity and bang - all over.

I could show lots of examples of Howard not being in the right position, slow reactions, and flat footedness from last season but I have a life lol.

I'm not being nasty towards Howard here, but he is not sharp enough anymore and Moyes needs to look closely at him.

Only my opinion, so go easy.

Are you Carlo Nash?

 

[kenada_blue]

I thought Hibbert was alright today.

Osman was shitte tho.

The best thing Hibbert was to dive in the box and win a peno.....then what happens? We ******* miss it

Poor lad.

 

[TX Bill]

I'd say the lad had it about right, Bill. Moyes has made a mess out of the whole Lescott saga.

Moyes is the only one who's gotten it right. He said he didn't want to sell and that's where we are.

What part did he screw up?

Like I said, blaming the manager in this situation is just wrong. Factually incorrect. Inaccurate.

 

[steevie]

There has been criticism of Howard. As for Cahill, all you can say is that he's an attacking mid/striker playing a central "creative" midfielder.

The thing what gets people, or at least me, about Ossie and Hibbert is the fact that they offer nothing on the right, completely nothing.

At least when Anichebe played there he just went out and out forward and did more than Osman has on the right wing has ever dont IMO.

So the blame must lie at Moyes' feet. If he cannot assemble a team that play to their strengths and play his players in the correct positions, then he is the route cause of the problem. He has played Osman and Anichebe out wide in recent times, both are not right wingers. Has it not occured to Moyes that he needs an out and out right winger??

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Moyes is the only one who's gotten it right. He said he didn't want to sell and that's where we are.

What part did he screw up?

Like I said, blaming the manager in this situation is just wrong. Factually incorrect. Inaccurate.

Well your wrong mate. Read the interviews recently with the manager he has said that Lescott told him he didn't want to play and he played him and he admitted he made a mistake in doing so.

If he has gotten it right, why are we selling an International centre back with nobody to replace him?

Moyes makes the decisions apparently, by his own admission, it's his fault.

 

[harry]

The reason we don't keep posession is the midfield are static, in the last three games i have only seen pienaar try and show for the ball ,the rest just seem to wait and hope something happens.

pass and move its the future

 

[ToxtethBlue]

The reason we don't keep posession is the midfield are static, in the last three games i have only seen pienaar try and show for the ball ,the rest just seem to wait and hope something happens.

pass and move its the future

This man knows what he's talking about.

And this all comes down to the centre of midfield, more so than our right handside.

 

[daz4matty]

It would be nice to be fed some truth at everton but nobody knows what that is anymore.
The banega situation is typical everton we say he is comin they say there is no deal in place,we must be the worst club ever to get involved with transfer dealings.

 

[TX Bill]

Well your wrong mate. Read the interviews recently with the manager he has said that Lescott told him he didn't want to play and he played him and he admitted he made a mistake in doing so.

If he has gotten it right, why are we selling an International centre back with nobody to replace him?

Moyes makes the decisions apparently, by his own admission, it's his fault.

Sorry mate but you're off base.

Moyes said he didn't want to sell. End of.

Like I said earlier in the thread. You can blame Hughes, Man City, Lescott, Lescott's agent, or the press.

But you can't blame Moyes for sticking to his guns and not wanting to sell his best players...

...but keep trying.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Moyes is the only one who's gotten it right. He said he didn't want to sell and that's where we are.

What part did he screw up?

Like I said, blaming the manager in this situation is just wrong. Factually incorrect. Inaccurate.

Well then why is he selling? It was obvious for the past couple of weeks that City would muscle him away. Moyes could have made the best of that, got his £22m, made reinforcements, and got on with the football.

He let us down. And please don't come out with some type of rubbish about Moyes being this great, moral man. He isn't, he's a shark. This isn't a high school coach, it's a man on £65k a week, that will do pretty much anything to come out on top (lawfully of course). Moyes likes to bury people that cross him. This is what he has been concentrating on lately. He wanted to bury Joleon and Hughes.

<still love you, mate >

 

[Seamus Colemole]

We've had bad starts to seasons before so I'm not panicking.

But jeez, to see us thoroughly outplayed in two Premier matches doesn't bode well for our season.

If we can get just one or two more players in plus Yak, Arteta, and Jags back, I think we'll get it turned around.

Turn it around? When, December?

Arteta is the main one for me, once he gets fit again and up to standard we should be ok. But that could be god knows how long.

And not forgetting the likely odds of us recieving injuries to other players.

Due to a combination of bad luck and over work from having such a small squad playing so many games.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is all i can say really.

 

[TX Bill]

Well I'm optimistic by nature but I can understand the concern.

Many forget though that we've had bad starts in the past and have come back from them.

I rather not become a habit though.

 

[daz4matty]

Well I'm optimistic by nature but I can understand the concern.

Many forget though that we've had bad starts in the past and have come back from them.

I rather not become a habit though.

You,d think we would learn after last season bill.
We have done the exact same again