Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

[Lelouch]

Haven't seen this mentioned here, but if the Echo are correct about this, it changes the profile of the right winger we are looking for. Think most people had assumed that we wanted a right footed wide player (an upgrade on Walcott) who would stay wide - bit like Sarr etc

Everton to reignite search for specialist winger after Silva effort

Everton also hoping to add a centre-half and centre-midfielder to the squad this summer

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

No guarantees the Echo are right, but it explains a bit more the links with the likes of Leon Bailey

we do need more left footed attacking players so kinda happy with this tbh.

 

[Bluestar]

The thing is though,most people said he'd never get double figures league goals. Whether he got the bulk of them in a 12 game run or not is sort of irrelevant, as he's disproved this theory. The goalposts then tend to be moved once he achieves this.

I have quite contradictory views on this. I think he's a very good number 9 in terms of what he offers to the team, but is ultimately not a very natural finisher. He will get better and make some improvements, as he had already, but he's never going to become completely natural. What you can say about him though, is he makes a lot of chances for himself. That cross v Sheffield United, he has no right to win it and he does. Likewise, the shot he had in the second half he turns an aimless punt down the pitch into a goalscoring opportunity. His pace, strength and aerial ability will mean he always gets chances, but he will never be massively clinical.

The one that got me for that was in the first half, that Gomes through ball Gomes put through that bounced off him. Vardy, Ings etc that ball is killed dead and probably leads to a goal.

He does look exhausted to me though and also lackijng in confidence. He will be the number 9 next season, and rightly so, but the hope will be either he delivers 15+ goals again and cements the position, or as a team we move to a point where either Moise Kean ousts him or we get a new player in.

A better midfield will help him.
He’s often been isolated and left to do the physical fisticuffs stuff on his own.

 

[LocalNative]

Haven't seen this mentioned here, but if the Echo are correct about this, it changes the profile of the right winger we are looking for. Think most people had assumed that we wanted a right footed wide player (an upgrade on Walcott) who would stay wide - bit like Sarr etc

Everton to reignite search for specialist winger after Silva effort

Everton also hoping to add a centre-half and centre-midfielder to the squad this summer

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

No guarantees the Echo are right, but it explains a bit more the links with the likes of Leon Bailey

Domenico Berardi - constantly banging goals in playing on the right and cutting in on his left for Sassuolo in Italy.

 

[Michaelcoyb]

lol

Cant remember the last time we had two strikers score 15 in a season.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Domenico Berardi - constantly banging goals in playing on the right and cutting in on his left for Sassuolo in Italy.

I read that he’s had a few average seasons, after scoring loads early on in his career.

personally I wouldn’t mind stengs from AZ. I know it’s the Dutch league. And I’ve only seen a few highlights here and there.
but he probably wouldn’t break the bank. Is quick 6ft,2 and has scored a few goals. The lad looks a talent. I think he already has A Dutch cap.

 

[Azza]

Everton to reignite search for specialist winger after Silva effort

Everton also hoping to add a centre-half and centre-midfielder to the squad this summer

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

No guarantees the Echo are right, but it explains a bit more the links with the likes of Leon Bailey

Why do the Echo have Brands captioned as 'Sporting Director' when his title is 'Director of Football'.


Idiots.

 

[Bluestar]

Cant remember the last time we had two strikers score 15 in a season.

1985

 

[catcherintherye]

You appear to be arguing a completely different point to the one I was making. I'm not sure if you're just not understanding it or if you're just looking to create a debate where there isn't one. It's pretty simple really, Vardy and Lukaku - who i've actually already used to highlight this exact point - have evidenced their ability to score goals over a long period. All strikers have droughts yes, but if they have a record of scoring 15+ goals over a number of seasons then you can be confident that they will continue to do so. The blindingly simple point being made is that DCL doesn't have that record. He has the record of an 8 goal a season striker for all but 12 games of his career. There is therefore a perfectly legitimate concern that the 12 game period was a purple patch which won't be repeated. For the avoidance of doubt, i'll say for the 748th time that i'm not saying he can't be a 15 goal a season striker, or that we need to replace him. I'm just saying making out like people are being unfair for wondering whether he's genuinely turned a corner or just had a good run is a bit weird.

Yes fair point re Lukaku and Vardy having more evidence. However Danny Ings doesn't and it's not used as a stick to beat him with in quite the same way.

There appears to be 2 issues here;
1) Scoring in gluts being used as evidence that he cannot score over a long term
2) That this season is an abheration and he cannot repeat it.

The first point makes little sense to me. As I've said all strikers score in gluts. If the view is he can't repeat his form as he scores in gluts, that can be used against almost every striker.

The second is a fair enough shout. He has only shown 1 season of hitting the target thus far. As I've said though, I am not sure why he will suddenly drop off though. From quite a low base, each season he has improved. If I was a betting man I'd say he's likely to improve next season. It's a hypothetical though, and I try to do in the concrete, which is he's achieved the target people didn't think he would this season and that deserves to be acknowledged.

 

[TippEverton]

hmmmm I’m sure it was skrtel

It wasn't.

 

[Lanolin]

Yes fair point re Lukaku and Vardy having more evidence. However Danny Ings doesn't and it's not used as a stick to beat him with in quite the same way.

There appears to be 2 issues here;
1) Scoring in gluts being used as evidence that he cannot score over a long term
2) That this season is an abheration and he cannot repeat it.

The first point makes little sense to me. As I've said all strikers score in gluts. If the view is he can't repeat his form as he scores in gluts, that can be used against almost every striker.

The second is a fair enough shout. He has only shown 1 season of hitting the target thus far. As I've said though, I am not sure why he will suddenly drop off though. From quite a low base, each season he has improved. If I was a betting man I'd say he's likely to improve next season. It's a hypothetical though, and I try to do in the concrete, which is he's achieved the target people didn't think he would this season and that deserves to be acknowledged.

Well Danny Ings doesn't play for us so it's not that surprising that there's less chatter about him on an Everton forum, but actually the chatter that there is is almost exclusively people saying exactly what you're saying they're not. Just ask poor foreverblue, who has advocated signing him and had a barrage of people laughing at him because he's a one season wonder.

I feel like you're still not getting the point but I genuinely don't know how I can make it any clearer. Scoring in gluts isn't being used as evidence that he can't do it long term. I've literally just explained that to you. If he'd scored 15 goals in 3 consecutive seasons but got them all in gluts it would be fine, you'd still say he was likely to get 15 the next season. But he hasn't, he has only scored in ONE glut. It's like us still saying that Jelavic and Andy Johnson were 30 goal a season strikers. They weren't. They were players who had short bursts of exceptional form but couldn't keep it up long term. It is possible that DCL will be another, there isn't sufficient evidence for us to know that he can be relied upon for 15 goals next season. It's really that simple.

 

[Arteta10]

Well Danny Ings doesn't play for us so it's not that surprising that there's less chatter about him on an Everton forum, but actually the chatter that there is is almost exclusively people saying exactly what you're saying they're not. Just ask poor foreverblue, who has advocated signing him and had a barrage of people laughing at him because he's a one season wonder.

I feel like you're still not getting the point but I genuinely don't know how I can make it any clearer. Scoring in gluts isn't being used as evidence that he can't do it long term. I've literally just explained that to you. If he'd scored 15 goals in 3 consecutive seasons but got them all in gluts it would be fine, you'd still say he was likely to get 15 the next season. But he hasn't, he has only scored in ONE glut. It's like us still saying that Jelavic and Andy Johnson were 30 goal a season strikers. They weren't. They were players who had short bursts of exceptional form but couldn't keep it up long term. It is possible that DCL will be another, there isn't sufficient evidence for us to know that he can be relied upon for 15 goals next season. It's really that simple.

This is true but it works both ways.

If you want to put a positive spin on it then you can just say hes improving his goal scoring every year, which is true.

If you want the negative spin you just say 'hes only had one season of double figures'

I'm not convinced with DCL for the same reasons that youve given, I just think its incredibly harsh for people to write him off and say he will never develop and be a top striker because we don't know what will happen next season and the sample size isn't big enough to say what a 'normal' season is for him.

It mainly boils down to age for me tho, if he was 26 and had only hit double figures in one season then I'd be concerned, but hes 23, he deserves the benefit of the doubt IMO

 

[TheSecondComing]

Linked to Marc Roca

Different to the clogger as he can pass forward but not the same “energy” can tackle too.

 

[toffeejack]

Why do the Echo have Brands captioned as 'Sporting Director' when his title is 'Director of Football'.


Idiots.

Answered your own question there at the bottom

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Haven't seen this mentioned here, but if the Echo are correct about this, it changes the profile of the right winger we are looking for. Think most people had assumed that we wanted a right footed wide player (an upgrade on Walcott) who would stay wide - bit like Sarr etc

If most people thought that, then most people weren't paying attention. It's been discussed for ages how we've been looking for a left footed right winger

 

[Lanolin]

This is true but it works both ways.

If you want to put a positive spin on it then you can just say hes improving his goal scoring every year, which is true.

If you want the negative spin you just say 'hes only had one season of double figures'

I'm not convinced with DCL for the same reasons that youve given, I just think its incredibly harsh for people to write him off and say he will never develop and be a top striker because we don't know what will happen next season and the sample size isn't big enough to say what a 'normal' season is for him.

It mainly boils down to age for me tho, if he was 26 and had only hit double figures in one season then I'd be concerned, but hes 23, he deserves the benefit of the doubt IMO

I don't think it's necessarily a case of being positive or negative to be honest. I'm with you, I'm willing to believe that he can keep improving and because we've got other areas which need addressing I wouldn't really be looking to improve there as a priority. I can understand why some people might think they've seen enough though. I would disagree with them, but i'd struggle to say with any conviction that they were wrong. I think there's sometimes a tendency to believe that you should act as if everyones great until they prove beyond doubt that they're not. Realistically it's not going to happen though. I was behind Silva and argued with people that he'd turn it round, but ultimately I was wrong and they were right. They weren't just negative or stupid or impatient, they had identified genuine issues and had no faith in him because of it. It may be that the same happens with DCL. I hope not, but i'm not going to knock people who don't think he's good enough because there's definitely a question mark.