Everton are small time...

[Brendan Janus]

Must admit, the response to exiting a cup competition to Chelsea's B team has baffled me.

22 years.

I mean;

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It is utterly abysmal, losing to that Chelski side !!

 

[Azza]

Too much commonsense being said in this thread.

I don't mind the sentimentality but there should be a line between the footballing activity and the 'story' of the club.

Sentimentality should come in the form of Kenwright getting the boot and becoming life aficionado of Everton and he can spend an hour before the game telling some mega rich people from Asia in a box about the boys pen or other tripe.

All this Mr Chairman lovey dovey crap aswell. Dunc, Snods, Sharpie etc all say it, even Tony Bellew called him out after his fight, needs to be binned. The board should have no interaction with players other than a handshake after winning a cup. Or maybe hooking you up with a decent lawyer after you plow into some cyclists and a petrol pump, and then give you a contract extension for not seriously hurting someone.

We had the best goalkeeper in the world for a time, who'd probably be the best goalkeeper in the world right now if you brought him forward in time. The worlds best, number 1, no one can come close, and he offers his services in any capacity and get knocked back because he speaks his mind. Because some soft head can't handle some truth, it's pathetic.


I don't doubt that in his professional business Kenwright is probably a heartless get and in that world he's probably up their with the best. Heck look at the stories and background of Woods and his dealing. But this footballing world is completely different beast, yet they treat Everton as their little cuddly toy bear to reminisce and tell new friends how they own a football club.

I thought and hoped Moshiri would change that. Get some cold heartless corporate in to turn Everton into a well tuned business machine off the field and leave the footballing side alone, bar giving it the capital £££ required to get it right.

Maybe he'll do that one he's takes full control, if he takes full control? If Usmanov comes? If we ever get a stadium design? A spade into the ground?

 

[BillLovesRoo]

or are they?

I've been reading the Unsworth thread this morning and have to say I agree with the majority of what @orly has been eluding to, or at least I think he's been eluding to.

I'm a massive fan of David Unsworth as a person, who knows I might even be a huge fan of his managerial ability in a few games, but who knows. He's saying all the right things, using all the usual buzzwords about history, big club etc, but there's something that bothers me about it. It's bordering on a scripted theatrical performance that Bill Kenwright has written. I mean he said all that and then played a CB pairing of Jagielka and Williams and an utterly useless Rooney.

We've just lost and been knocked out of the cup but there's the tweet @orly highlighted celebrating a debut and the return of the ginger fella with a nationality disorder. I can't think of another top club that deals with this sort of stuff in the same small time cringey way as Everton. We over hype minor events, we team up with Umbro, SportPesa and Angry Birds and that's before we even get to the kitbag deal.

Why would an organisation that has an ounce of sense keep Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone around? You could argue that it's a transitional period but it would appear that they have just as much involvement at the club now as they did before Farhad came along, if not more.

We have grand ambitions, or so we're told, but everything about how we communicate via social media and the deals we sign suggest anything but that. The twitter reads like some die hard blue that refuses to hear a bad word said about the club, rather than a professionally run club employing a social media expert.

If we truly are serious about being a big club then we need to knock this stuff on the head and start behaving like a professional outfit.

maybe we just need to get on board of the over boyled, over hyped, scripted love machine that is David Unsworths everton.

People have gone on about goodison being toxic, a negative mentality and things such as expected defeats.

It may be cheesy, it may be corny, but surely if the players and fans can all get on board with it, will it not be a good thing?

I've been to watch the likes of Dortmund, Celtic and Ajax, there fans are ott, they claim it to be a love affair, they are cheesy and a little bit cringe, but it works, it builds a connect amongst the fans and players.

Dont know what you lot expect from everton but i guess they cant do right for doing wrong sometimes

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

After the way we've been playing for 3 months, now clearly not for the moonheaded one, it was a welcome relief to see the team actually performing with heart and passion.

We aren't saying it's ok to lose, but atleast my thought's are we might be able to salvage something from this season if that's how the team wants to play after Koeman.

If a defeat can be positive then it was last night.

 

[miff]

We’re very much like most clubs, not one of the Stella teams.

Biggest issue we have is not only the management, it’s us, the fans.
We think everton are different, more special.......we’re not.

There are people who think an ‘evertonian’ can sort all of out woes out.....we need experience not sentiment

 

[orly]

maybe we just need to get on board of the over boyled, over hyped, scripted love machine that is David Unsworths everton.

People have gone on about goodison being toxic, a negative mentality and things such as expected defeats.

It may be cheesy, it may be corny, but surely if the players and fans can all get on board with it, will it not be a good thing?

I've been to watch the likes of Dortmund, Celtic and Ajax, there fans are ott, they claim it to be a love affair, they are cheesy and a little bit cringe, but it works, it builds a connect amongst the fans and players.

Dont know what you lot expect from everton but i guess they cant do right for doing wrong sometimes

In the last 22 seasons, I would absolutely dread to think what the Dortmund: Celtic: Ajax : Everton trophy ratio is, apart from the big zero on the end of ours.

You can act like a misty-eyed blimp all you want as far as I'm concerned if the side you love are winning things. We're still lost in our memories.

 

[Gladystweet]

I think the next few weeks are key. The next appointment is key..and I do mean next.
Nothing would please me more than for Unsworth to do the business, but is he ready?
I personally feel this is too much of an ask for him. If it goes well, great, but if it doesn't..well...
Let's see where the board's ambitions lie with the next man. Of course, whoever they want, and it has to be a big name, has to want us also.
Again, and I stress, I'm not having a go at Unsworth. I'd love him to be the assistant manager and carry on the learning process, as I do feel he'll be a good manager one day.

 

[BillLovesRoo]

man city and chelsea the big success stories of recent times did not even consider appointing 'one of their own'

Man city & chelsea had a shed load of money at the right time and right moment.

I hate the way people harp on about, this club did it this way, or that club did it that way.

Why can't we create our own story and our own route without falling into the trap of lets copy them.

England fall into that trap every 4 years, they want to try and copy the spanish model but dont have the players for it, then when that dosent work they want to copy what the germans did, the next one will be trying to copy the french

 

[JLW]

Just had to come away from Twitter then, it's embarrassing!! Our fans creaming themselves over a tackle (which was good BTW) but fk me it was a tackle...

And this Unsworth drum everyone is beating absolutely stinks of a Craig Shakespeare scenario and will only end the same way!!

 

[neil999]

Man city & chelsea had a shed load of money at the right time and right moment.

I hate the way people harp on about, this club did it this way, or that club did it that way.

Why can't we create our own story and our own route without falling into the trap of lets copy them.

England fall into that trap every 4 years, they want to try and copy the spanish model but dont have the players for it, then when that dosent work they want to copy what the germans did, the next one will be trying to copy the french

I'm not saying copy anyone, just providing examples

 

[BillLovesRoo]

In the last 22 seasons, I would absolutely dread to think what the Dortmund: Celtic: Ajax : Everton trophy ratio is, apart from the big zero on the end of ours.

You can act like a misty-eyed blimp all you want as far as I'm concerned if the side you love are winning things. We're still lost in our memories.

So we can't support our team properly without being angry toxic gargoils, foaming at the mouth waiting to bite the head off a 20 year old who has 15 first team appearences under his belt purely because we havent won anything for yonks?

Goodison is one of the best stadiums around when it is angry, but it has to be at the opposition or referee, the minute it gets on the back of our own players its terrible. Thats whats unsworth is trying to do by uniting the players and fans back together

 

[LiamG]

or are they?

I've been reading the Unsworth thread this morning and have to say I agree with the majority of what @orly has been eluding to, or at least I think he's been eluding to.

I'm a massive fan of David Unsworth as a person, who knows I might even be a huge fan of his managerial ability in a few games, but who knows. He's saying all the right things, using all the usual buzzwords about history, big club etc, but there's something that bothers me about it. It's bordering on a scripted theatrical performance that Bill Kenwright has written. I mean he said all that and then played a CB pairing of Jagielka and Williams and an utterly useless Rooney.

We've just lost and been knocked out of the cup but there's the tweet @orly highlighted celebrating a debut and the return of the ginger fella with a nationality disorder. I can't think of another top club that deals with this sort of stuff in the same small time cringey way as Everton. We over hype minor events, we team up with Umbro, SportPesa and Angry Birds and that's before we even get to the kitbag deal.

Why would an organisation that has an ounce of sense keep Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone around? You could argue that it's a transitional period but it would appear that they have just as much involvement at the club now as they did before Farhad came along, if not more.

We have grand ambitions, or so we're told, but everything about how we communicate via social media and the deals we sign suggest anything but that. The twitter reads like some die hard blue that refuses to hear a bad word said about the club, rather than a professionally run club employing a social media expert.

If we truly are serious about being a big club then we need to knock this stuff on the head and start behaving like a professional outfit.

We went to the champions playing awful, 3rd from bottom, practically out of Europe and having been spanked by every half decent team we've played this season.

It was a great performance. We should have won.

We aren't a top team at the moment. We are relegation candidates so stop writing as if we are a top team.

Unsworth is starting from the worst position of any manager since Moyes took over.

Whether Walsh can bring in the players we need remains to be seen.

 

[MikeH72]

Pipe down @Bungle you heartless monster. Sentimentality is key to the soul of this club. It's what separates us from the apes (across the park), it's a part of the club's identity. Would much rather we gave Tony Hibbert an pointless extension for being a good blue than start getting official noodle sponsors.

On the whole, I think the club's marketing and social media stuff is very good. Leagues ahead of most PL teams. Especially considering our core audience is mostly made up of angry and cynical scousers.

UNSWORTH FOREVER, BUNGLE NEVER.

Oh I don't know about that mate. They are the cringiest, most overly sentimental bunch of loonies I've ever known, they had a 6 month leaving party for their captain, make banners comparing their players to historical mythical figures and write open letters to new signings welcoming them into the "LFC family" as well as books like this.

 

[Norwegian Cow]

what some people dont understand is that you have to see a little bit further than just that we lost. We played alot better than we have for a long time, more composure, limiting the opponents to very few chances, and also creating many chances ourself. There was many signs there of improvement which will see us grab alot more points in the upcoming games. it really isnt that hard to see and understand.

 

[BillLovesRoo]

In the last 22 seasons, I would absolutely dread to think what the Dortmund: Celtic: Ajax : Everton trophy ratio is, apart from the big zero on the end of ours.

You can act like a misty-eyed blimp all you want as far as I'm concerned if the side you love are winning things. We're still lost in our memories.

also Dortmund didnt win a thing between 2001-2011 ( only 10 years i know but a pretty long time), the top 5 record attendances for there stadium are within them 10 years.

Also a quote from an article i found on it

"Hesse believes the stand was first called the Yellow Wall in 2005, by a group of ultras who made a giant banner that hung from South Stand saying ‘Gelbe Wand Dortmund’ (Yellow Wall Dortmund).

That same ultras group had previously arranged choreography that featured a giant banner, more than 30 metres wide, with a quote from Oscar Wilde, the nineteenth-century English playwright: ‘We are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars.’

“The ultras then added their own quote, ‘At the end of the dark alley shines the Yellow Wall’ and that is where the name comes from,” said Hess"