Everton are small time...

[Bungle]

I often wonder if he employed the same sentimentality in his theatre business? i doubt it as he was successful..he doesnt see everton as a business or even a project to make successful, its his warm,cosy place to have some fun and indulgence..

Sentimentality is one of the biggest causes of where we currently are as a club, lets use Tony Hibbert as an example, according to wiki he played 7 games for us in the 2 seasons between 2012-2014, no idea how many of those were as a sub. At the end of those 2 seasons we gave him a 2 year contract extension, why? He played another 5 games in the following 2 years.

I have no idea what wage he was on but lets go low and say £20k, so in 4 seasons we've spent £4m for him to play 12 games. All because of sentimentality. I don't even care if I've got those figures wrong, you get the point.

 

[JAYMULL]

or are they?

I've been reading the Unsworth thread this morning and have to say I agree with the majority of what @orly has been eluding to, or at least I think he's been eluding to.

I'm a massive fan of David Unsworth as a person, who knows I might even be a huge fan of his managerial ability in a few games, but who knows. He's saying all the right things, using all the usual buzzwords about history, big club etc, but there's something that bothers me about it. It's bordering on a scripted theatrical performance that Bill Kenwright has written. I mean he said all that and then played a CB pairing of Jagielka and Williams and an utterly useless Rooney.

We've just lost and been knocked out of the cup but there's the tweet @orly highlighted celebrating a debut and the return of the ginger fella with a nationality disorder. I can't think of another top club that deals with this sort of stuff in the same small time cringey way as Everton. We over hype minor events, we team up with Umbro, SportPesa and Angry Birds and that's before we even get to the kitbag deal.

Why would an organisation that has an ounce of sense keep Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone around? You could argue that it's a transitional period but it would appear that they have just as much involvement at the club now as they did before Farhad came along, if not more.

We have grand ambitions, or so we're told, but everything about how we communicate via social media and the deals we sign suggest anything but that. The twitter reads like some die hard blue that refuses to hear a bad word said about the club, rather than a professionally run club employing a social media expert.

If we truly are serious about being a big club then we need to knock this stuff on the head and start behaving like a professional outfit.

Absolutely agree Bungle, we're 'Poor little Everton' who come out of a defeat with all the plaudits it's the 'knife at a gunfight' mentality. I know it's only one game but when have we ever done what West Ham did last night? I can't remember ever. If we go back to the 77 FAC Semi against our nearest and dearest we were so close and yet so far, (due to an inept ref okay), but we were beaten once that game was over. We didn't believe we'd win the replay and since then that mentality has continued. I hate to say it but nothing more points this out by looking at our results over the many years against the Kopites, our record is a disgrace especially considering the dross they've had in their team over the years. If they played a reserve team all playing on one leg they'd still beat us. I thought we played okay in the second half last night but we lost and it was inevitable. Until we have some ruthlessness in the club with a completely different mindset things will not change.

 

[Camboselecta]

this is why I keep moaning about the website. its the face of the club internationally. SORT IT OUT!

Still waiting to see ground broken on the fabled new stadium as well....

 

[deipnosophist]

In other words 'nothing has changed'.

We Evertonians love our club, but we are a museum piece.

 

[Bud McBlokeski]

The problem is that someone who has a fairly major say in what goes on at the club is, and that should play no part in the decisions that are being made.

You're not wrong like.

 

[FC sexy xxx]

I like sh1te Everton . It’s all I’ve ever known and I don’t like change .

 

[COYBL25]

or are they?

I've been reading the Unsworth thread this morning and have to say I agree with the majority of what @orly has been eluding to, or at least I think he's been eluding to.

I'm a massive fan of David Unsworth as a person, who knows I might even be a huge fan of his managerial ability in a few games, but who knows. He's saying all the right things, using all the usual buzzwords about history, big club etc, but there's something that bothers me about it. It's bordering on a scripted theatrical performance that Bill Kenwright has written. I mean he said all that and then played a CB pairing of Jagielka and Williams and an utterly useless Rooney.

We've just lost and been knocked out of the cup but there's the tweet @orly highlighted celebrating a debut and the return of the ginger fella with a nationality disorder. I can't think of another top club that deals with this sort of stuff in the same small time cringey way as Everton. We over hype minor events, we team up with Umbro, SportPesa and Angry Birds and that's before we even get to the kitbag deal.

Why would an organisation that has an ounce of sense keep Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone around? You could argue that it's a transitional period but it would appear that they have just as much involvement at the club now as they did before Farhad came along, if not more.

We have grand ambitions, or so we're told, but everything about how we communicate via social media and the deals we sign suggest anything but that. The twitter reads like some die hard blue that refuses to hear a bad word said about the club, rather than a professionally run club employing a social media expert.

If we truly are serious about being a big club then we need to knock this stuff on the head and start behaving like a professional outfit.

I can think of one other club that behaves like this - Newcastle.

 

[Carlito]

I often come away from listening to club interviews thinking that the first bullet point on the brief is to credit 'the chairman' at every opportunity.

Probably why I seldom pay attention to anything they put out themselves.

 

[Baines' left foot]

“But he loves the club and he smiles a lot”.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[Moomin]

WTF ARE U ON AB8T MATE!!!

DA EV R BCK. WE WAZ PROPER BOS LST NGT, SHUD AV WON IT.

It was a Chelsea team who are out of form and had been beaten by Palace a few weeks back and should have lost at home against Watford.

A Chelsea second string team and we only turned up for 45 mins and people want to get party poppers out.

 

[Toffeeslam]

Can’t have it both ways

Unsworth gets Everton FC were told but getting managers from outside the club you would lose that.

 

[orly]

I often wonder if he employed the same sentimentality in his theatre business? i doubt it as he was successful..he doesnt see everton as a business or even a project to make successful, its his warm,cosy place to have some fun and indulgence..

Ironically he plays on the sentimentalism of his staff (work in the West end , live your dreams, you may get noticed) and gets them as volunteers / zero hours. Not unusual in the industry before @Steve Wigan swings in here

 

[neil999]

I can think of one other club that behaves like this - Newcastle.

oh no...

 

[Seanjd]

Regarding Unsworth, if he gets us results in the short term then great. Personally, I couldn't care less about all the rhetoric. In the same way you would big up your employers in a promotion interview, he knows what he has to say to impress the right people.

I was encouraged by the transformation in attitude and attacking desire in last nights game, and that's after one training session. That could be mostly down to the shackles of Korman being off and the players feeling bouyed by recent events.

I worry about Unsworth long term. Personally, I don't think he will be good enough once we're a bit more stabilised to bring us to where we need to be, and to be honest, it would sum up our small club mentality if we gave him the job permanent.

 

[ianefc]

I agree too. I've been worried that this process of finding the absolute best man for the job could be undone by Unsworth getting 4 good results/performances.

It'd be a dereliction of duty if we don't aggressively go after Tuschel in my option, giving Unsworth the job because he gets Everton and has done well at u23 level would be incredibly small time.

I'm not dead against Unsworth getting the job, but he wouldn't be one of my top 5 choices, regardless of the next three results.

I also worry that we are too sentimental that we will force ourselves into a corner by saying no to him if we win the next three games.

His preser the other day was fine, but I said at the time that he came across as a fella who thought he had the job if he passes this audition.

I also don't like all this Sky Sources have heard the players want Unsworth as does Kenwright, that's pathetic, Leicester players wanted Shakespeare and Spurs players wanted Sherwood. Even QPR players wanted Ramsey. It never works.

If we want to be big, we need to act big, get the best man for the job. You can't tell me Unsworth is a better manager than Dyche and I'd be massively underwhelmed with him.

They need to get this right after 2 disasters, I'd suggest the odds that the best man was already employed by the club would be huge, in much the same way Elstone got the job when Wyness left.

COYB