Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

Esk,

Do you REALLY think you can derail me with the above. My reply was to your point saying the minute details of leaving were not on the ballot paper.

As I have said many times, the Referendum was the voters of this country giving direction as to what they wanted, in or out. Do you actually believe that every single voter needed to be involved in the complete mechanism from start to finish with leaving the EU if the vote was out? Do you really believe that whole shebang should have been on the ballot paper?

You are barking up the wrong tree, and misleading this thread. NO ONE, not even the most skilled negotiators, can predict what the scenario will be in 5, 10, 20 or more years, so to say "...ultimately if the final offer is not beneficial the right not to accept it?..." is a cock that will not fight (to quote a legal term to you - I'll give you the full details if you wish me to do so).

Obfuscation rules with some...

There was a three month build up tv debates a 9 million booklet from the Remain side etc can someone put up what was on the ballot paper which our sovereign government agreed upon by 6-1 in the mother of parliaments?
Remainers now protesting no one new what they voted for is a bit credulous to say the least it's like throwing a dummy out of the Pram IMO!
If we stick to why we should just stay in fair enough debate?
Not clutch straws most otters on here are fair as some Remainers let's face it it takes our mind of the football we are getting served up lately blame Brexit for that too!lol

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

I don't know what you're smoking tonight, because again you're inferring things that I've not said. Stick to the facts.

I'm not arsed about the result of the negotiations: the majority voted to leave the EU, so I respect their majority-casting vote and will let the government do its work and enact the will of the majority of people.

I'm too busy watching football and eating chocolate to drop on about minutea and fine detail. There are people paid to sort the rest out.

Do you live in a bubble where it won't affect you?

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

There was a three month build up tv debates a 9 million booklet from the Remain side etc can someone put up what was on the ballot paper which our sovereign government agreed upon by 6-1 in the mother of parliaments?

Theresa though, how did she beam info about her view on the single market back in time?

 

[joey_macmo]

I'm not arsed about the result of the negotiations:

Think we've reached hubberts peak here lads

 

[Tubey]

No I'm not. What is on the billboard is a sentiment. Not a fact. Do you know the difference. And you're spouting crap by saying I am lying. Understand the English language before you start spouting such things...

Hahahahaha

So the leaflet was suddenly a fact and not a sentiment then?

Give over!

And you are perpetually lying I'm afraid. I have a great grasp of the English language.

For example, you said:

Yeah, the other 27 [EU countries] ignore us most of the time...

... which is, shock horror, a lie! The UK wins consensus voting in the Council of Ministers just on 87% of the time. In fact, we dominate decisions in the EU.

But you didn't know that did you? It's OK to admit it - it was easy to just say random BS in the hope nobody would fact check you, because that's the world we live in now apparently.

 

[roydo]

No I'm not. What is on the billboard is a sentiment. Not a fact. Do you know the difference. And you're spouting crap by saying I am lying. Understand the English language before you start spouting such things...

Isnt every manifesto, election time "pledge" a sentiment? Be it building a wall in Merica, or lobbing £350m at the NHS?

Point is, folk didnt/dont see them and say to themselves, "well, thats just a sentiment", they, well, some, base their voting intentions on such "sentiments".

Which are patently lies.

 

[Tubey]

Isnt every manifesto, election time "pledge" a sentiment? Be it building a wall in Merica, or lobbing £350m at the NHS?

Point is, folk didnt/dont see them and say to themselves, "well, thats just a sentiment", they, well, some, base their voting intentions on such "sentiments".

Which are patently lies.

No mate, when it's on a leaflet, it means business. Everything else is different.

 

[bring the ghost on]

What you have posted is a sentiment, not an actual fact.

Come on OB2, the £350m to the NHS was not a "sentiment", it was a very deliberate attempt to mislead the public.

Whichever side of the fence you're on, that much is obvious, surely?

 

[Old Blue 2]

Time to spank the plank for t

There was a three month build up tv debates a 9 million booklet from the Remain side etc can someone put up what was on the ballot paper which our sovereign government agreed upon by 6-1 in the mother of parliaments?
Remainers now protesting no one new what they voted for is a bit credulous to say the least it's like throwing a dummy out of the Pram IMO!

Basically, they're talking a load of merde, grasping at any kind of straw that floats by, or idea that comes into their head.

It makes for interesting reading, but Man, I've never seen anything like it in my life before...

 

[Neiler]

You really couldn't make it up, be careful who you vote for:

http://www.thejournal.ie/boris-prosecco-3086185-Nov2016/

 

[peteblue]

The crippling of Greece is shocking. If they were truly wanting to be benevolent they would write off a good part of Greece's debt

It's what we did for Germany. Germany however do not seem to want to do anything similar.......

 

[Old Blue 2]

Come on OB2, the £350m to the NHS was not a "sentiment", it was a very deliberate attempt to mislead the public.

Whichever side of the fence you're on, that much is obvious, surely?

Well, if people had a modicum of intelligence, and could reasonably reason things out for themselves, then that is telling them that the amount sent over weekly, gross, (outwith any paybacks, rebates, etc,) is equal to the cost of a hospital.

No worse than page 4 of Cameron's leaflet heading: A stronger economy. How can that possibly be claimed when we don't know from one month to the next what the economy of the UK will be like?

Or page 6: Improving our lives. Again, how can the Government say that, when there is a continuous attack on the poorer people of this country by the Conservative Government?

How about this:
Page 8: What happens if we leave? A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the Single Market that we have now. Crystal ball time again folks. Are all those countries in the EU that ship shedloads of their products suddenly going to say, 'Nah, we won't bother to trade with the UK any more.' I would venture to suggest that they would want to trade with us as they do now, otherwise they would be cutting off their nose to spite their face, so to speak. How can the Government possibly make such a definitive statement?

Page 12: The UK has secured a special status in the EU. 'Special status' rears its head again on page 12. How about this for misleading the public? Special status my backside!

 

[Old Blue 2]

Time to spank the plank for the next few minutes, and head over to some guitar forums, where debate is far less hectic.

Night, night!

 

[JonS]

You really couldn't make it up, be careful who you vote for:

http://www.thejournal.ie/boris-prosecco-3086185-Nov2016/

We (leave voters) voted for Brexit - to leave the EU - not for Boris or Farage or the Tories (unless we did vote for them at the general election). This was a vote about something that goes across party boundaries, something that is of fundamental importance (however one voted) to the sovereignity of the country and that we had not been given a chance to have our say on before. A referendum was the only really democratic way of deciding an issue like this and IMO absolutely vital to have.

 

[peteblue]

Sorry, but I simply don't agree. Of course the EU is flawed but then so is Westminster and our laughable electoral system. Yes, it is bureaucratic but so is Westminster. That massive NHS whopper and that racist UKIP poster were a disgrace though and I'm sure they made the difference. A new low in British politics.

Your vote at a GE can change the UK, we have just proven it with a referendum. Your vote at anything to do with the EU is at best irrelevant, and at worst ignored........