Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Pienaar's gloves]

Has the bus come yet?

Are you going to answer or can't you?

 

[dandydan]

-or an alien invasion, right?

More chance of that happening than renewables meeting our energy needs.

 

[peteblue]

Well the assumption is that UK will benefit from WTO terms post Brexit by way of increased global trade.

We have already established that the EU is not a barrier to global trade (prime exhibit Germany) therefore the assumption must be that greater trade will arise from new WTO terms.

As mentioned many times the EU has the ability to block post Brexit enhanced WTO terms should we succeed in negotiating them.

If, on the other hand, increased trade is not dependent upon new terms why don't we just trade more now?

But, we too are a member of the WTO, and as a member we would be able to block EU trade terms as they introduce additional members and indeed lose one in the form of the UK. This veto works both ways so why would the EU attempt to block the UK ?

In addition, apart from the WTO, the EU wishes to gain a permanent position on the UN Security Council, over which the UK holds one of the 5 vetoes. Can you not see that this is in no ones favour or benefit......

 

[peteblue]

Come on Joey, answer the question, if the EU are stopping JCB from selling globally whilst we are members of the EU, why would they voluntarily allow JCB to sell more under WTO terms after we've left?

The EU's stance towards the UK is likely to be more aggressive rather than more accomodating post Brexit, surely you can see that?

Why?.....

 

[peteblue]

Are you going to answer or can't you?

I asked you a question earlier today....are you going to answer or can't you.......

 

[peteblue]

What happened to Marty......

 

[Joey66]

Are you going to answer or can't you?

The fact that you twist everything one says , and I have had a nap, and forgot what the hell you mentioned on this thread other than repetition ?????
The fact I have answered it to another poster that JCB got fined trading outside the EU 44 million shows the is trade outside the EU as it was outside the polictical bully boys is an utter disgrace so my answer is
No!

 

[ilikecheese]

What happened to Marty......

@Moomin slayed the beast.

 

[peteblue]

@Moomin slayed the beast.

Where ?....

 

[ilikecheese]

Where ?....

Donald Trump

 

[peteblue]

Donald Trump

I think you are all very mean........

 

[The Esk]

But, we too are a member of the WTO, and as a member we would be able to block EU trade terms as they introduce additional members and indeed lose one in the form of the UK. This veto works both ways so why would the EU attempt to block the UK ?

In addition, apart from the WTO, the EU wishes to gain a permanent position on the UN Security Council, over which the UK holds one of the 5 vetoes. Can you not see that this is in no ones favour or benefit......

You do realise that our current WTO membership and status is defined by our membership of the EU. Once we cease (heaven forbid) to be members our status changes, however the status of the EU as an entity does not.

There is no guarantee that our existing WTO relationships continue post Brexit let alone improve.

 

[ilikecheese]

I think you are all very mean........

Soz xx

 

[peteblue]

You do realise that our current WTO membership and status is defined by our membership of the EU. Once we cease (heaven forbid) to be members our status changes, however the status of the EU as an entity does not.

There is no guarantee that our existing WTO relationships continue post Brexit let alone improve.

No it isn't. We were a member before the EU existed, all EU nations are members in their own right. the Eu is trying to add members and it will be losing one as well, which means the EU status requires agreement by all WTO members. We have as much power as the EU does. There is no guarantee that the EU relationships will be agreed. In addition you still refuse to answer the question of why the EU would do so, what do they gain apart from bad press......

 

[peteblue]

WTO members

Afghanistan 29 July 2016
Albania 8 September 2000
Angola 23 November 1996 (GATT: 8 April 1994)
Antigua and Barbuda 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 March 1987)
Argentina 1 January 1995 (GATT: 11 October 1967)
Armenia 5 February 2003
Australia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Austria 1 January 1995 (GATT: 19 October 1951)
Bahrain, Kingdom of 1 January 1995 (GATT: 13 December 1993)
Bangladesh 1 January 1995 (GATT: 16 December 1972)
Barbados 1 January 1995 (GATT: 15 February 1967)
Belgium 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Belize 1 January 1995 (GATT: 7 October 1983)
Benin 22 February 1996 (GATT: 12 September 1963)
Bolivia, Plurinational State of 12 September 1995 (GATT: 8 September 1990)
Botswana 31 May 1995 (GATT: 28 August 1987)
Brazil 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 July 1948)
Brunei Darussalam 1 January 1995 (GATT: 9 December 1993)
Bulgaria 1 December 1996
Burkina Faso 3 June 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Burundi 23 July 1995 (GATT: 13 March 1965)
Cabo Verde 23 July 2008
Cambodia 13 October 2004
Cameroon 13 December 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Canada 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Central African Republic 31 May 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Chad 19 October 1996 (GATT: 12 July 1963)
Chile 1 January 1995 (GATT: 16 March 1949)
China 11 December 2001
Colombia 30 April 1995 (GATT: 3 October 1981)
Congo 27 March 1997 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Costa Rica 1 January 1995 (GATT: 24 November 1990)
Côte d'Ivoire 1 January 1995 (GATT: 31 December 1963)
Croatia 30 November 2000
Cuba 20 April 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Cyprus 30 July 1995 (GATT: 15 July 1963)
Czech Republic 1 January 1995 (GATT: 15 April 1993)
Democratic Republic of the Congo 1 January 1997
Denmark 1 January 1995 (GATT: 28 May 1950)
Djibouti 31 May 1995 (GATT: 16 December 1994)
Dominica 1 January 1995 (GATT: 20 April 1993)
Dominican Republic 9 March 1995 (GATT: 19 May 1950)
Ecuador 21 January 1996
Egypt 30 June 1995 (GATT: 9 May 1970)
El Salvador 7 May 1995 (GATT: 22 May 1991)
Estonia 13 November 1999
European Union (formerly European Communities) 1 January 1995
Fiji 14 January 1996 (GATT: 16 November 1993)
Finland 1 January 1995 (GATT: 25 May 1950)
France 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Gabon 1 January 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
The Gambia 23 October 1996 (GATT: 22 February 1965)
Georgia 14 June 2000
Germany 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 October 1951)
Ghana 1 January 1995 (GATT: 17 October 1957)
Greece 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 March 1950)
Grenada 22 February 1996 (GATT: 9 February 1994)
Guatemala 21 July 1995 (GATT: 10 October 1991)
Guinea 25 October 1995 (GATT: 8 December 1994)
Guinea-Bissau 31 May 1995 (GATT: 17 March 1994)
Guyana 1 January 1995 (GATT: 5 July 1966)
Haiti 30 January 1996 (GATT: 1 January 1950)
Honduras 1 January 1995 (GATT: 10 April 1994)
Hong Kong, China 1 January 1995 (GATT: 23 April 1986)
Hungary 1 January 1995 (GATT: 9 September 1973)
Iceland 1 January 1995 (GATT: 21 April 1968)
India 1 January 1995 (GATT: 8 July 1948)
Indonesia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 24 February 1950)
Ireland 1 January 1995 (GATT: 22 December 1967)
Israel 21 April 1995 (GATT: 5 July 1962)
Italy 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 May 1950)
Jamaica 9 March 1995 (GATT: 31 December 1963)
Japan 1 January 1995 (GATT: 10 September 1955)
Jordan 11 April 2000
Kazakhstan 30 November 2015
Kenya 1 January 1995 (GATT: 5 February 1964)
Korea, Republic of 1 January 1995 (GATT: 14 April 1967)
Kuwait, the State of 1 January 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Kyrgyz Republic 20 December 1998
Lao People’s Democratic Republic 2 February 2013
Latvia 10 February 1999
Lesotho 31 May 1995 (GATT: 8 January 1988)
Liberia 14 July 2016
Liechtenstein 1 September 1995 (GATT: 29 March 1994)
Lithuania 31 May 2001
Luxembourg 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Macao, China 1 January 1995 (GATT: 11 January 1991)
Madagascar 17 November 1995 (GATT: 30 September 1963)
Malawi 31 May 1995 (GATT: 28 August 1964)
Malaysia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 24 October 1957)
Maldives 31 May 1995 (GATT: 19 April 1983)
Mali 31 May 1995 (GATT: 11 January 1993)
Malta 1 January 1995 (GATT: 17 November 1964)
Mauritania 31 May 1995 (GATT: 30 September 1963)
Mauritius 1 January 1995 (GATT: 2 September 1970)
Mexico 1 January 1995 (GATT: 24 August 1986)
Moldova, Republic of 26 July 2001
Mongolia 29 January 1997
Montenegro 29 April 2012
Morocco 1 January 1995 (GATT: 17 June 1987)
Mozambique 26 August 1995 (GATT: 27 July 1992)
Myanmar 1 January 1995 (GATT: 29 July 1948)
Namibia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 15 September 1992)
Nepal 23 April 2004
Netherlands 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
New Zealand 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 July 1948)
Nicaragua 3 September 1995 (GATT: 28 May 1950)
Niger 13 December 1996 (GATT: 31 December 1963)
Nigeria 1 January 1995 (GATT: 18 November 1960)
Norway 1 January 1995 (GATT: 10 July 1948)
Oman 9 November 2000
Pakistan 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 July 1948)
Panama 6 September 1997
Papua New Guinea 9 June 1996 (GATT: 16 December 1994)
Paraguay 1 January 1995 (GATT: 6 January 1994)
Peru 1 January 1995 (GATT: 7 October 1951)
Philippines 1 January 1995 (GATT: 27 December 1979)
Poland 1 July 1995 (GATT: 18 October 1967)
Portugal 1 January 1995 (GATT: 6 May 1962)
Qatar 13 January 1996 (GATT: 7 April 1994)
Romania 1 January 1995 (GATT: 14 November 1971)
Russian Federation 22 August 2012
Rwanda 22 May 1996 (GATT: 1 January 1966)
Saint Kitts and Nevis 21 February 1996 (GATT: 24 March 1994)
Saint Lucia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 13 April 1993)
Saint Vincent & the Grenadines 1 January 1995 (GATT: 18 May 1993)
Samoa 10 May 2012
Saudi Arabia, Kingdom of 11 December 2005
Senegal 1 January 1995 (GATT: 27 September 1963)
Seychelles 26 April 2015
Sierra Leone 23 July 1995 (GATT: 19 May 1961)
Singapore 1 January 1995 (GATT: 20 August 1973)
Slovak Republic 1 January 1995 (GATT: 15 April 1993)
Slovenia 30 July 1995 (GATT: 30 October 1994)
Solomon Islands 26 July 1996 (GATT: 28 December 1994)
South Africa 1 January 1995 (GATT: 13 June 1948)
Spain 1 January 1995 (GATT: 29 August 1963)
Sri Lanka 1 January 1995 (GATT: 29 July 1948)
Suriname 1 January 1995 (GATT: 22 March 1978)
Swaziland 1 January 1995 (GATT: 8 February 1993)
Sweden 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 April 1950)
Switzerland 1 July 1995 (GATT: 1 August 1966)
Chinese Taipei 1 January 2002
Tajikistan 2 March 2013
Tanzania 1 January 1995 (GATT: 9 December 1961)
Thailand 1 January 1995 (GATT: 20 November 1982)
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) 4 April 2003
Togo 31 May 1995 (GATT: 20 March 1964)
Tonga 27 July 2007
Trinidad and Tobago 1 March 1995 (GATT: 23 October 1962)
Tunisia 29 March 1995 (GATT: 29 August 1990)
Turkey 26 March 1995 (GATT: 17 October 1951)
Uganda 1 January 1995 (GATT: 23 October 1962)
Ukraine 16 May 2008
United Arab Emirates 10 April 1996 (GATT: 8 March 1994)
United Kingdom 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
United States of America 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Uruguay 1 January 1995 (GATT: 6 December 1953)
Vanuatu 24 August 2012
Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic of 1 January 1995 (GATT: 31 August 1990)
Viet Nam 11 January 2007
Yemen 26 June 2014
Zambia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 10 February 1982)
Zimbabwe 5 March 1995 (GATT: 11 July 1948)