Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
Inside the EU we are limited to 27 countries some are on their knees that restrict us trading outside the EU the EU itself deals in the WTO as you point out above we are a big economy and should do well if negotiations go well but the Remoaners on here IMO just see doom and gloom!
I see a chance for the UK from a positivity to rebuild and do better than in the EU!
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I would really like to nail this question though Joey, both the Esk and Pienaar's Gloves think there is a big stick that the EU can use on us at the WTO, without considering that we have a big stick as well. But more importantly I just want someone to say why the EU would be belligerent to the UK when they know that we can do exactly the same back to them.......
 
peteblue said:
So, at least you've now agreed that we are a member, that's a step forward. Now you will also find that as a member the UK can veto other members agreements when they come up for change, so when the EU changes, i.e. we leave or another new member needs to be added or a new agreement needs to be made, the UK can just veto it. So hence my question to the ESK 'why would the EU wish to be belligerent towards the UK when we can do exactly the same back to them'.......so without any cut and paste, what do you think.......
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Your argument is inheritently flawed because the EU holds much more sway in the WTO than the UK alone does.

The EU represents a market of circa 500 million people that the rest of the world wants to sell more goods to. The UK is a market of 60 million and an established market for WTO members.

Non EU members of the WTO stand to lose far more by standing with Britain than they do standing with the EU.

This idea that the world is waiting for the UK to be released from EU pergatory to lap up British made goods is a complete nonsense.
 
peteblue said:
I would really like to nail this question though Joey, both the Esk and Pienaar's Gloves think there is a big stick that the EU can use on us at the WTO, without considering that we have a big stick as well. But more importantly I just want someone to say why the EU would be belligerent to the UK when they know that we can do exactly the same back to them.......
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At the moment everyone is playing mind games the EU will not cut off its nose to spite its face IMO
They need us more than we need them IMO as trading all over the world even with low tarrifs is cheaper than our massive membership yes I trust May to be a tough negotiator it's a two year time span which might get bumpy so what when we win ;)
 
peteblue said:
So, at least you've now agreed that we are a member, that's a step forward. Now you will also find that as a member the UK can veto other members agreements when they come up for change, so when the EU changes, i.e. we leave or another new member needs to be added or a new agreement needs to be made, the UK can just veto it. So hence my question to the ESK 'why would the EU wish to be belligerent towards the UK when we can do exactly the same back to them'.......so without any cut and paste, what do you think.......
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When you say 'without cut and paste', do you mean 'please provide a weak and unverified argument without doing any research?'

Our membership is bundled with that of the entire EU. We will have to renegotiate.

I can't fathom how that gives the UK an opportunity to damage the EU's WTO terms.

As an aside, as we are a member via the EU, leaving will in no way assist in outside trade.
 
The Brexiteers on here genuinely believe that it is a weakness to research and come to a conclusion.

I've already established that Joey has an anti-EU prejudice. I doubt that he is the only one.

For my part, I'd have voted for Brexit if it made sense.
 
The Esk said:
Your argument is inheritently flawed because the EU holds much more sway in the WTO than the UK alone does.

The EU represents a market of circa 500 million people that the rest of the world wants to sell more goods to. The UK is a market of 60 million and an established market for WTO members.

Non EU members of the WTO stand to lose far more by standing with Britain than they do standing with the EU.

This idea that the world is waiting for the UK to be released from EU pergatory to lap up British made goods is a complete nonsense.
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The WTO takes no accord of Market size, each country is a member. The UK has excellent relations with the USA, Canada, Australia and the Commonwealth, which are much larger than the EU. You are really struggling here to back up this supposed threat regarding the EU and the WTO.

Again, my question to you, which you still refuse after many attempts, 'why would the Eu be belligerent towards the UK when we can do the same to them ?'

If you can give an answer fine, but so far you are ducking and diving and coming up with absolute nonsense regarding the WTO and the UK / EU relationship......

Perhaps Pienaar's Gloves has googled an answer by now.....
 
Pienaar's gloves said:
When you say 'without cut and paste', do you mean 'please provide a weak and unverified argument without doing any research?'

Our membership is bundled with that of the entire EU. We will have to renegotiate.

I can't fathom how that gives the UK an opportunity to damage the EU's WTO terms.

As an aside, as we are a member via the EU, leaving will in no way assist in outside trade.
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Sorry mate, I didn't see this, I thought you'd have done better though.....disappointed really.....
 
peteblue said:
Again, my question to you, which you still refuse after many attempts, 'why would the Eu be belligerent towards the UK when we can do the same to them
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As answered on many occasions, the EU is a weightier trading entity than the UK and therefore can and will be aggressive in its negotiating stance with the UK both in terms of its relationship with the EU and it's relationship with other WTO members.
 
Pienaar's gloves said:
The Brexiteers on here genuinely believe that it is a weakness to research and come to a conclusion.

I've already established that Joey has an anti-EU prejudice. I doubt that he is the only one.

For my part, I'd have voted for Brexit if it made sense.
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Yet go apoplectic when there might be the slightest insinuation that a leave voter is misinformed and their argument is poorly researched.

Which is ironic given the absolute state of some of the arguments & figures that have been put forward, disproven and put forward again ad Infinitum.
 
The Esk said:
As answered on many occasions, the EU is a weightier trading entity than the UK and therefore can and will be aggressive in its negotiating stance with the UK both in terms of its relationship with the EU and it's relationship with other WTO members.
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You have answered nothing, you keep making spurious points that are not even fact..........

come on Esk, you threw this threat around of the Eu......answer the question 'why would the EU be belligerent to the Uk at the WTO when they know we can do the same to them'.......
 
Pienaar's gloves said:
The post above this one sums it up, pretty much in its entirety.
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I see you are quoting the Esk again, but unfortunately he's wrong again....now do you have an opinion that you can state yourself or should we just assume that you will parrot whatever the Esk says, because if that is so then we can ignore you and just debate with the Esk.......
 
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