Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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it’s crap mate, all down to Brexit, nothing to do with Covid nor the war in Ukraine, but we’re talking about the marvellous EU…..
We weren’t talking about the EU, you were. As I’ve tried to explain to you before, no one has ever said that it’s all down to Brexit. Covid & the war Ukraine all contribute. There are, as you may have noticed, other threads for those.
This thread is about Brexit. We were discussing the lack of any coherent plan, either prior to or since leaving, to deal with the consequences of our departure.
Perhaps there was a coherent plan, if so perhaps you could explain it?
Alternatively you could simply blame “Remainers”.
 
So, guys, what are the EU doing that is so wonderful. Germany has become a financial basket case, Macron and Schulz are terrified of Putin, Eastern Europe are becoming disillusioned, everyone and his dog is using the veto to stop anything moving forward…so what is so fantastic…..

Thats not correct at all mate. The UK economy is in isolation and is taking a pounding and as such is the worst and being hit with the biggest impact in Europe - its Brexit thats tanked it. Everyone else in Europe is managing/recovering from the adverse tailwinds of Ukraine and Covid. Brexit hasn't even been a blip to the European economy. The UK is the outlier in Europe and the differentiator is Brexit.

 
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Once more @peteblue;What was the comprehensive plan for dealing with the consequences of leaving the EU.
Forget your whataboutery and attempted deflection just for a moment. Answer the question.

Why would you believe I have access to any comprehensive plan, do you ? I am aware that Remainers in the HoL and HoC are doing everything they can to undermine or stop EU laws and directives being removed…


Meanwhile because you passionately care about being in the EU can I ask why ?……
 
Why would you believe I have access to any comprehensive plan, do you ? I am aware that Remainers in the HoL and HoC are doing everything they can to undermine or stop EU laws and directives being removed…


Meanwhile because you passionately care about being in the EU can I ask why ?……
I don’t. I have already stated that there was an ideological and historical case for leaving. Any such significant decision would require a plan for dealing with the practical consequences of leaving.
I’m aware that you, Farage etc claimed it would all be sunny uplands immediately, could be done simply, we held all the cards, they needed us more than we needed them. And yet...
Instead we have you cheering the demise of laws protecting our food standards, environmental standards and employment protection, a demise that will happen without Parliamentery scrutiny. Remind me again, exactly who has taken back control?
 
I don’t. I have already stated that there was an ideological and historical case for leaving. Any such significant decision would require a plan for dealing with the practical consequences of leaving.
I’m aware that you, Farage etc claimed it would all be sunny uplands immediately, could be done simply, we held all the cards, they needed us more than we needed them. And yet...
Instead we have you cheering the demise of laws protecting our food standards, environmental standards and employment protection, a demise that will happen without Parliamentery scrutiny. Remind me again, exactly who has taken back control?

Please don’t do what others do by suggesting it would be sunny uplands, I’ve always been very clear that we will take a hit for a number of years, but not even your wished for comprehensive plan could have foretold Covid not the energy crisis. Also the repeating ad nauseam of holding cards, needing us more than them etc is a bit boring tbh and doesn’t reflect peoples views on here.

So now you accuse leavers as cheering the demise of laws for food standards, environmental standards and employment protection. You do realise that the U.K. is a leader on all these issues and has been around long enough to determine safe standards, what do you think all of our Civil Servants and Agencies do. Having the ability to remove restrictive laws, whatever they be, for the benefit of the U.K. is the right thing to do. Laws emanating from Brussels are by necessity a compromise because no two EU countries are the same or want the same. Well now we can put in place what is good for us and not have to compromise with 27 others.

Anyway, we are now out of the EU, and I would really like to see a benefits list of why some people think we should rejoin because so far my simple request has fallen on stony ground…….
 
I’ve always been very clear that we will take a hit for a number of years,

To be fair, you have been consistent with that. What frustrates the hell out of me, and I guess others, is that the vast majority who voted to leave did so on the back of a pack of moonshine. In other words, they didnt/dont have your critical analysis which brings you to your opinion.

Theirs was based on the empty words which @Alan Whittle posted. That is what infuriates remainers, not some love of the EU.
 
Please don’t do what others do by suggesting it would be sunny uplands, I’ve always been very clear that we will take a hit for a number of years, but not even your wished for comprehensive plan could have foretold Covid not the energy crisis. Also the repeating ad nauseam of holding cards, needing us more than them etc is a bit boring tbh and doesn’t reflect peoples views on here.

So now you accuse leavers as cheering the demise of laws for food standards, environmental standards and employment protection. You do realise that the U.K. is a leader on all these issues and has been around long enough to determine safe standards, what do you think all of our Civil Servants and Agencies do. Having the ability to remove restrictive laws, whatever they be, for the benefit of the U.K. is the right thing to do. Laws emanating from Brussels are by necessity a compromise because no two EU countries are the same or want the same. Well now we can put in place what is good for us and not have to compromise with 27 others.

Anyway, we are now out of the EU, and I would really like to see a benefits list of why some people think we should rejoin because so far my simple request has fallen on stony ground…….

People have answered your question. I am not personally politically savvy enough to argue all the nuances but the European human rights law was pretty good, as I understand it. Now they are taking that away and you say that the UK are a leader in all these things, yet I believe that we know that there has been far more pollution of waterways than we had under an EU environmental law. So once the human rights are taken away I guess this wonderfully socially conscious government we have will make things better than what was under the EU human rights law.....right?

Freedom of movement has been mentioned countless times, yet it obviously gets ignored by some.

European funding was a very good source for some communities to get more funding for community based projects.

In my opinion, the UK had a decent level of autonomy away from the EU, in regards to being able to control our borders, etc. So, for me there was no reason to leave, as the risks of losing trade, freedom of movement, etc. outweigh the benefits that the relationship with the EU brought.

So, we come back to the question that I have not personally seen an answer to. Name one current benefit of Brexit? It could also be answered if you see any benefits that are definitely signed off for the future?
 
Please don’t do what others do by suggesting it would be sunny uplands, I’ve always been very clear that we will take a hit for a number of years, but not even your wished for comprehensive plan could have foretold Covid not the energy crisis. Also the repeating ad nauseam of holding cards, needing us more than them etc is a bit boring tbh and doesn’t reflect peoples views on here.

So now you accuse leavers as cheering the demise of laws for food standards, environmental standards and employment protection. You do realise that the U.K. is a leader on all these issues and has been around long enough to determine safe standards, what do you think all of our Civil Servants and Agencies do. Having the ability to remove restrictive laws, whatever they be, for the benefit of the U.K. is the right thing to do. Laws emanating from Brussels are by necessity a compromise because no two EU countries are the same or want the same. Well now we can put in place what is good for us and not have to compromise with 27 others.

Anyway, we are now out of the EU, and I would really like to see a benefits list of why some people think we should rejoin because so far my simple request has fallen on stony ground…….
1. No you weren't, you have always been a champion of the so called benefits and have been asked many times on here what they were. You failed to answer.
2. It reflects the views that you have continually espoused on here.
3. Where is your evidence for this? Even if that were the case, why are the respective UK agencies, consumer groups and industry spokesmen in these areas claiming that the British alternatives are dangerously weak?

Even if, as you now claim, that after a number of years (lol) the country will begin to benefit, what is the plan to achieve that?

As it stands Brexit was nothing but an ill thought out rabble rousing sham implemented (I use the word loosely) without the slightest idea of the consequences, the upshot of which relies on the long passed Covid (which you claim was a stunning success for the Government anyway!) and the war in Ukraine being rolled out in a lame parrot fashion to justify the current mess.

 
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