Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

People have answered your question. I am not personally politically savvy enough to argue all the nuances but the European human rights law was pretty good, as I understand it. Now they are taking that away and you say that the UK are a leader in all these things, yet I believe that we know that there has been far more pollution of waterways than we had under an EU environmental law. So once the human rights are taken away I guess this wonderfully socially conscious government we have will make things better than what was under the EU human rights law.....right?

Freedom of movement has been mentioned countless times, yet it obviously gets ignored by some.

European funding was a very good source for some communities to get more funding for community based projects.

In my opinion, the UK had a decent level of autonomy away from the EU, in regards to being able to control our borders, etc. So, for me there was no reason to leave, as the risks of losing trade, freedom of movement, etc. outweigh the benefits that the relationship with the EU brought.

So, we come back to the question that I have not personally seen an answer to. Name one current benefit of Brexit? It could also be answered if you see any benefits that are definitely signed off for the future?

We no longer have to adopt compromise laws made in Brussels
We know who initiates and brings in our laws and they can be thrown out of office by U.K. voters alone.
We no longer pay into funds to subsidise new entrants and yet another level of Government
We have our own Foreign Policy and cannot be held back by vetoing by such as Hungary
We are free to agree trade deals without approval of 27 other countries
We have scuppered the pretensions of building an EU Army
We have removed the excuses from Government blaming the EU for their own failures
We are a Sovereign country again, good or bad but it’s our choice…..

 

[Kurt.]

Covid arrived just before we left the EU….

It wouldn’t be allowed in now

 

[Alan Whittle]

We no longer have to adopt compromise laws made in Brussels
We know who initiates and brings in our laws and they can be thrown out of office by U.K. voters alone.
We no longer pay into funds to subsidise new entrants and yet another level of Government
We have our own Foreign Policy and cannot be held back by vetoing by such as Hungary
We are free to agree trade deals without approval of 27 other countries
We have scuppered the pretensions of building an EU Army
We have removed the excuses from Government blaming the EU for their own failures
We are a Sovereign country again, good or bad but it’s our choice…..

Are there no “compromise laws” in this country. All laws come about from discussion and compromise, unless you’re pining for a dictatorship?
We know who makes our laws now and they can be thrown out of office by the tiny Tory Party membership.
We can instead pay funds to friends of the Government for useless Protective clothing for medical staff.
We have always had our own foreign policy.
I agree about the Trade deals. We’ve really hit the jackpot with those since we’ve been able to negotiate our own.
Oh, the EU Army, with all its conscripts, weapons etc. Where is that again?
Yes, no need to blame the EU when you have Covid and Ukraine to rely on.
We have always been a Sovereign state. More Farage myth peddling.

Any more benefits?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's a good job we can make our own standards and laws innit?

UK immigration policies breach human rights standards - Free Movement

In its 2023 World Report, Human Rights Watch found that the recent immigration and asylum policies introduced by the UK government breach domestic human rights obligations and undermine international human rights standards. The report focuses on the Rwanda agreement and the Nationality and...

freemovement.org.uk

 

[Nightman]

So, we come back to the question that I have not personally seen an answer to. Name one current benefit of Brexit? It could also be answered if you see any benefits that are definitely signed off for the future?

£350m back into the NHS a week.

Where have you been for the past 3 years? The NHS is flying.

 

[peteblue]

Are there no “compromise laws” in this country. All laws come about from discussion and compromise, unless you’re pining for a dictatorship?
We know who makes our laws now and they can be thrown out of office by the tiny Tory Party membership.
We can instead pay funds to friends of the Government for useless Protective clothing for medical staff.
We have always had our own foreign policy.
I agree about the Trade deals. We’ve really hit the jackpot with those since we’ve been able to negotiate our own.
Oh, the EU Army, with all its conscripts, weapons etc. Where is that again?
Yes, no need to blame the EU when you have Covid and Ukraine to rely on.
We have always been a Sovereign state. More Farage myth peddling.

Any more benefits?

You see this is why I don’t bother, all you want is a list to denigrate without really putting any thought into it….

so how about your list…..

 

[peteblue]

lollollol

Why do you keep following me around the forum ? Either participate or go and play elsewhere. You add nothing….

 

[WA Toffee]

No mate, I’m genuinely interested in what people see as the benefits of being in the EU are…

And I'm genuinely interested in what you see the benefits of not being in the EU are.

Difference is, I have already named what I think are two benefits, whereas I have yet to see you provide any.

But I can see you now have given a list - fantastic ?

 

[WA Toffee]

We no longer have to adopt compromise laws made in Brussels
We know who initiates and brings in our laws and they can be thrown out of office by U.K. voters alone.
We no longer pay into funds to subsidise new entrants and yet another level of Government
We have our own Foreign Policy and cannot be held back by vetoing by such as Hungary
We are free to agree trade deals without approval of 27 other countries
We have scuppered the pretensions of building an EU Army
We have removed the excuses from Government blaming the EU for their own failures
We are a Sovereign country again, good or bad but it’s our choice…..

Great stuff Pete, some tangible benefits there ?
I have made a similar sized list of benefits the UK had from being part of the EU

We had a level of check and balance that made sure all laws weren't passed for the primary benefit of London and the South East

We had the option to adopt the best laws and regulations from 27 countries in Europe, but still had enough atutonomy to reject the worst of them. We also had a veto power.

Places like the Highlands of Scotland had access to a massive pool of money to support and develop industry, which they never received from the UK government due to small population and very low representation in the UK parliament

We were able to maintain our own foreign policies while also being able to adopt the best policies from 27 other nations. We also had a power of veto.

We were able to sign trade deals as one of the 3 largest trading entities in the world, which gave us a lot more bargaining power than countries outside the EU

We were able to scutter plans for an EU army from the inside, using our powers of veto.

We maintained our status as a soverign country, while also receiving the benefits of being part of a larger entity.

Perspective's a funny thing isn't it ?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think I've found another EU benefit

 

[Alan Whittle]

You see this is why I don’t bother, all you want is a list to denigrate without really putting any thought into it….

so how about your list…..

But you did bother @peteblue. That was your best shot.You’re right though, it really didn’t take much thought to review it.
You have tried to invent a need for people to write you a list of EU benefits, but we’re not in the EU now. Best to stick to Current Affairs.
If the idiot bluffers who got us into this mess which is partially due to Brexit had prepared properly, perhaps things would be better, but rather like your list of benefits, we are left with a mush mash of half truths, hope for the best and jingoism. Still, who knows, in “some years” time......

 

[Charlie Sweet]

No argument from me over Ireland. They had to join once the U.K. decided to, but Ireland is not the U.K. who have historically traded around the world. Ireland seems happy being controlled by Brussels and good for them……

You do know Ireland has done really well since joining the EU? If you ranked its economy pre joining to where it is now it would be dramatic.

it’s crap mate, all down to Brexit, nothing to do with Covid nor the war in Ukraine, but we’re talking about the marvellous EU…..

Tell me any countries in Europe not affected by Covid or the war in Ukraine?


And @peteblue You keep saying you knew it would take years to see the benefits of Brexit - how many years you thinking? And how come this delay in benefits was never mentioned before the referendum!

 

[wandyr79]

We no longer have to adopt compromise laws made in Brussels
We know who initiates and brings in our laws and they can be thrown out of office by U.K. voters alone.
We no longer pay into funds to subsidise new entrants and yet another level of Government
We have our own Foreign Policy and cannot be held back by vetoing by such as Hungary
We are free to agree trade deals without approval of 27 other countries
We have scuppered the pretensions of building an EU Army
We have removed the excuses from Government blaming the EU for their own failures
We are a Sovereign country again, good or bad but it’s our choice…..

What exact Laws are you happy we don't compromise on anymore?

We have always initiated our own laws, I am sure I read an article at the time on what and how many EU Laws we rejected or did not affect us without any commons vote, i.e. the ones the government don't like we don't have. Again the nuances are generally lost on me, so it may sound too basic but that is how I understood it. Maybe you have evidence that it was never the case and we had to have every law the EU voted in, in Brussels.

Not sure laws can be thrown out by UK voters? We vote in our local representative to the government, hope that they have the majority and then hope the law that we want passed gets passed in the commons and then gets passed by the unelected Lords, if it goes to them. We voted in EU MPs who could argue the case in Brussels for us, that is how it works. We had a voice, in the form of a ballot, that is how politics works. We had that same level of voice in the UK and in the EU.

What was the deficit of what we paid into the EU compared to what we received?

Go to the 2nd point. I am a bit more positive that we had our own foreign policy. i.e. there were some thing things like trade with the EU, but in the whole we could make deals with other nations about the relationships?

How are the trade deals going, which ones are offering us better deals, better quality of goods, etc.? Is there any more talked about currently that give us hope that we will be so much better off, outside of the EU trading deals.

EU Army, a poor example, in my opinion. I mean how does a modern army affect the common person walking down the street?

So, you completely blame this government for being corrupt and not giving a crap about the public. You must be anting them out, the way they have dealt with the situation?

What does' being a 'sovereign country' this even mean? What exactly does this to help the public? Is it just to do with the colour of passports and a logo ion a pint glass or is there something more tangible to it?

 

[Ron1878]

I think I've found another EU benefit

My initial reaction to this was to fume at Johnson’s rank hypocrisy. But then I remembered he has absolutely no moral stance whatsoever and will do/say anything as long as it benefits him.

Brexit was about Johnson being PM, Ukraine joining EU is about Johnson being PM again. Total consistency!

 

[Prevenger17]

We no longer have to adopt compromise laws made in Brussels
We know who initiates and brings in our laws and they can be thrown out of office by U.K. voters alone.
We no longer pay into funds to subsidise new entrants and yet another level of Government
We have our own Foreign Policy and cannot be held back by vetoing by such as Hungary
We are free to agree trade deals without approval of 27 other countries
We have scuppered the pretensions of building an EU Army
We have removed the excuses from Government blaming the EU for their own failures
We are a Sovereign country again, good or bad but it’s our choice…..

Lol. Nearly all of which was true before you left and all pretty much amounts to "standing on our own two feet".