Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
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FrenchDarrenBent said:
It's a bit more difficult.
www.voanews.com

Months Into War, Ukraine Refugees Slow to Join EU Workforce

Many are only now starting to find jobs — and many are still struggling
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In Poland, which has taken in about 1 million Ukrainian refugees, more than any other EU nation, just over a third have found work, according to the Polish minister of labor and social policy, Marlena Malag. Some have gotten jobs as nurses or Ukrainian language teachers in Polish schools, while others are working as housekeepers or waitresses.

The real problem is: they don't find the workforce to do the same job the self-employed Polish (or Czech, Romanian...) lad did for 10 quid an hour. There were certain European rules and exemptions that made it a win-win situation for employer-employee (mainly: taxes & social security payments could be paid in the home country). With the end of free movement, Britain lost those people.
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I was mainly relying on Czech data, but even 300,000 or so in work in Poland is a good achievement given that there will inevitably be language and other issues that will affect economic integration. It's generally speaking not a quick thing so getting so many in work within 6 months is a fantastic achievement.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
That's pretty snobbish. Life during Covid would have been pretty difficult for the likes of you and I if it wasn't for those delivery drivers. Would you prefer deliveries to be made by robots and those people had no job at all?
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roydo said:
What an utterly pathetic and ill informed post.
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Prevenger17 said:
Not your finest hour here Tsubaki. Those companies treat their staff quite poorly, but I think there are at least a fair few of us who are thankful for the delivery drivers who kept us stocked and fed over the pandemic and continue to do so now
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We have big worker shortages in the NHS, in farming, in the care sector and in many other parts of the economy. We have tens of thousands of people working to make fortunes for huge global businesses that avoid tax on a massive scale, whilst also having considerable negative impacts on existing local businesses (which actually do pay tax and employ people) and people who actually are self-employed (such as black cab drivers). The firms mentionedalso have a long record of screwing over the people they insist they do not "traditionally" employ*.

A lot of the people currently employed* by Uber, Amazon, Just Eat etc could actually be trained to do those jobs which we as a society urgently need people to do. Do we as a society need 45000 Uber drivers more than we need more nurses, doctors, farm labourers, care workers, plumbers, electricians etc?

Also who said anything about banning delivery drivers? There was a complete lack of mention in my post of supermarket deliveries like Tesco or Sainsburys, or of normal takeaway delivery folk taking food from their restaurant to someone's house. Nor did I mention DFDS / Hermes or that ilk, who for all the shoddy way in which they often treat their customers and employees do at least serve a purpose.

* as opposed to being self-employed, a partner, subcontractor etc
 
roydo said:
You do realise that "that ilk" deliver for Amazon?

Hence your pathetic and uniformed post.
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That is some leap to make, roydo - they do also deliver for other people and businesses, nearly all of whom haven't had the ruinous effect that Amazon have had nor have they enjoyed the tax system as much.

I guess what this boils down to is whether we would rather have a society where some things are cheap and convenient for some people, or one in which the things most of us rely on actually work.
 
tsubaki said:
That is some leap to make, roydo - they do also deliver for other people and businesses, nearly all of whom haven't had the ruinous effect that Amazon have had nor have they enjoyed the tax system as much.

I guess what this boils down to is whether we would rather have a society where some things are cheap and convenient for some people, or one in which the things most of us rely on actually work.
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I was responding to your post that suggested my last job was socially useless. Cos it was uniformed of how the global delivery system works. And your final sentence confirms that ignorance 100%.

So dont try and wriggle out by branching into "what society we would like" nonsense. Or the tax affairs of Amazon. Your post was pig ignorant, and you know it was.
 
tsubaki said:
We have big worker shortages in the NHS, in farming, in the care sector and in many other parts of the economy. We have tens of thousands of people working to make fortunes for huge global businesses that avoid tax on a massive scale, whilst also having considerable negative impacts on existing local businesses (which actually do pay tax and employ people) and people who actually are self-employed (such as black cab drivers). The firms mentionedalso have a long record of screwing over the people they insist they do not "traditionally" employ*.

A lot of the people currently employed* by Uber, Amazon, Just Eat etc could actually be trained to do those jobs which we as a society urgently need people to do. Do we as a society need 45000 Uber drivers more than we need more nurses, doctors, farm labourers, care workers, plumbers, electricians etc?

Also who said anything about banning delivery drivers? There was a complete lack of mention in my post of supermarket deliveries like Tesco or Sainsburys, or of normal takeaway delivery folk taking food from their restaurant to someone's house. Nor did I mention DFDS / Hermes or that ilk, who for all the shoddy way in which they often treat their customers and employees do at least serve a purpose.

* as opposed to being self-employed, a partner, subcontractor etc
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Seems a touch over simplified this.
 
roydo said:
I was responding to your post that suggested my last job was socially useless. Cos it was uniformed of how the global delivery system works. And your final sentence confirms that ignorance 100%.

So dont try and wriggle out by branching into "what society we would like" nonsense. Or the tax affairs of Amazon. Your post was pig ignorant, and you know it was.
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Firstly, its "uninformed" not "uniformed". If you are going to go on about other people being ignorant, please check what you are typing first.

Secondly, the original post was literally about how Uber, Amazon et al have created thousands of socially useless jobs whilst there is a shortage of labour - so please don't try and pretend I was trying to wriggle out by making the same point in post #82159.

Finally, can you stop trying to pretend that I said something which was never typed? You seem to think that what you think is what happened; it wasn't.
 
tsubaki said:
Firstly, its "uninformed" not "uniformed". If you are going to go on about other people being ignorant, please check what you are typing first.

Secondly, the original post was literally about how Uber, Amazon et al have created thousands of socially useless jobs whilst there is a shortage of labour - so please don't try and pretend I was trying to wriggle out by making the same point in post #82159.

Finally, can you stop trying to pretend that I said something which was never typed? You seem to think that what you think is what happened; it wasn't.
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What do you mean by this?
 
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