I am going to miss the quick passport scan system which most places had working decently in the end.
Brexiters: yeah, that looks fun, lets have us a bit of that.
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Almost guarantee that the NHS covid passport won't be compatible with the EU covid passport.
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Again I have to disagree with you Bruce. It wasn't assuming people are good before and now assuming they are bad (which is the point I disagreed with at the outset). Before Brexit, EU citizens had an "entitlement" to be here, to live, work, holiday or whatever. Now they don't. It's as simple as that.
What you speak of is some sort of Utopia where everybody has free movement everywhere. As far as I'm aware there isn't a single country in the world that has totally open borders.
And more fool us for not having this. Free movement within the EU was one of the greatest policy achievements of my lifetime. I can accept opposition to it from racists and xenophobes because they're idiots. What I can't wrap my head around is people who if you presented them with a centrally planned economy would say that's complete and utter madness and not compatible with our free market economy, but then they want a centrally planned population. It's like they're quite happy for you to outsource jobs to Timbuktu, but god help you if the person from Timbuktu wants to come here and do the same job in the UK.
Peat the Irish government allow that to be burnt - I used peat free compost as far back as the late 1980s in my Nursery - I dropped on by using the waste soil filtered by the water board plus mixed with Coir compost it made excellent potting compost mix as I found that Coir on its own was poor - plus how was it green as it was shipped in from Shir Lanka ........
Poland has over 300 coal pits & is their main industry ......
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Number of EU citizens refused entry to UK soars despite Covid crisis
Post-Brexit rules allow travel without visas, but border officials have wide powers to exclude visitors
It's a hypothetical situation, of course, but I dare say if the wife and I had a baby and wanted the mother in law to come and stay for a bit to help out that would trigger those criteria as she might not have a clearly defined return date and doesn't really have a pot to pee in financially.Number of EU citizens refused entry to UK soars despite Covid crisis
Post-Brexit rules allow travel without visas, but border officials have wide powers to exclude visitorswww.theguardian.com
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Ironically the person from Timbuktu will have a better chance of getting a UK work permit now than when we were in the EU. But let's leave it there.
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Looks like it's getting interesting with the EU & Switzerland...
And had the person from Timbuktu had as easy a time of it as the person from Toulouse (until we left) then I'd have no problem at all. As it is, we've made things harder and more expensive for everyone and are trying to claim that as a massive success. It's not.
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Had to do that with my mother-in-law pre-Covid. A pain in the backside. So was the paperwork.
I'm here all week.
Yarrgh
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I was reading about that yesterday. All too familiar story after Brexit. With the EU casting the same blame on the Swiss as they did us. Obviously there's one side in common but starting to think we will be winning a game in which everyone loses overall.
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Ironically the person from Timbuktu will have a better chance of getting a UK work permit now than when we were in the EU. But let's leave it there.
The immigration act brought in by Patel is not fit for purpose. I'm not claiming any success here, massive or otherwise.
But the guy from Timbuktu and other parts of the world will fare better now we're out of the EU. EU nationals won't.
When the rest of the world deliver this Utopia of open borders you're looking for Bruce come back to me. The EU system was great for everybody who lived in the EU who wanted to come here, but the rest of the world paid for it. The post Brexit arrangement treats all nationalities the same and, personally, I think that's fairer.
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The following appears to be the crux of the mattter:
Swiss and EU officials negotiated a draft framework deal between 2014 and 2018. Brussels would like Bern to sign the treaty, but it has languished as the Swiss government decided to carry out consultations with domestic partners to forge consensus on how to proceed. The consultation process has led to three sticking points which the Swiss say require clarification:
- Wage protection: unions and businesses want to protect the high salaries and cost of living in Switzerland. They say the framework agreement would lead to “wage dumping”, companies in Switzerland cutting back on salaries.
- State aid: the EU is not in favour of public subsidies. Swiss cantons fear that their banks would no longer be able to benefit from unrestricted state guarantees.
- European citizenship directive: under the framework, EU citizens in Switzerland would have the same right to social security as Swiss residents. Critics in Switzerland fear that this could result in a wave of “social welfare immigration”.
The fact that for many years, even after the A8 accession, immigration from non-EU countries was comparable to that from EU countries suggests that things weren't that unfair, especially as on most objective criteria non-EU migrants were less educated, would be less likely to be employed, and so on. Again, they're the ones that are "managed", so it's a funny world where you would take what appear to be poorer outcomes and say we should do more of that and less of the butting out, even when that produces better outcomes. We're also omitting, of course, the removal of our right to live and work in 27 countries, which always seems to be ignored as though that's a piddling thing to have stripped from us.
For what it's worth, I don't believe there will ever be open borders because it's too easy for politicians (whether right wing ones scaring us about brown people sullying our racial purity or left wing ones scaring us about migrants undercutting wages) to trot out lies, and for their supporters in the media to amplify those lies, against a part of society that has no vote and much less power than native citizens. Few people actually have the time, nor I suspect the inclination, to actually bother researching things, so they swallow whatever fits their heuristic of the world, and there's a strong evolutionary tendency to fear the out-group. If you're happy to go along with that charade then by all means, that is your prerogative, but we'll all be worse off for it.
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