Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Anyway I’m off to bed. So tomorrow the EU will have backtracked on NI, more of the 27 will be pointing fingers towards Brussels, someone from Greece will be lined up to take the blame, and AZ still won’t let them have any more vaccine......

 

[Billy Dean]

I dont honestly know ,you would have to have more knowledge than I have about the terminology of this type of contract to get a true cast iron view on it ,seem a bit ambiguous to me on face value it could mean one thing to one side and something else to the other side.
Sure we will find out soon enough.

This is how “best reasonable effort” is defined in the contract apparently:


“in the case of AstraZeneca, the activities and degree of effort that a company of similar size with a similarly-sized infrastructure and similar resources as AstraZeneca would undertake or use in the development and manufacture of a Vaccine at the relevant stage of development or commercialization having regard to the urgent need for a Vaccine to end a global pandemic which is resulting in serious public health issues, restrictions on personal freedoms and economic impact, across the world but taking into account efficacy and safety;”

Let’s be honest probably none of us on here are really qualified to judge if AZ have fulfilled this.

 

[Jebus_lives]

 

[Blues Harp]

Anyway I’m off to bed. So tomorrow the EU will have backtracked on NI, more of the 27 will be pointing fingers towards Brussels, someone from Greece will be lined up to take the blame, and AZ still won’t let them have any more vaccine......

Love ya mate you are the only tory on here who isn't racist

 

[edge]

This is how “best reasonable effort” is defined in the contract apparently:


“in the case of AstraZeneca, the activities and degree of effort that a company of similar size with a similarly-sized infrastructure and similar resources as AstraZeneca would undertake or use in the development and manufacture of a Vaccine at the relevant stage of development or commercialization having regard to the urgent need for a Vaccine to end a global pandemic which is resulting in serious public health issues, restrictions on personal freedoms and economic impact, across the world but taking into account efficacy and safety;”

Let’s be honest probably none of us on here are really qualified to judge if AZ have fulfilled this.

Well I honestly don't, but best effort or a variant of it appears 15 times n the contract, so it's not an oversight.
One thing I have just seen on the newsnight was that the contract states that the EU vaccines are to come from the factories within the EU at the beginning.
Wonder how that affects things?

 

[Billy Dean]

Well I honestly don't, but best effort or a variant of it appears 15 times n the contract, so it's not an oversight.
One thing I have just seen on the newsnight was that the contract states that the EU vaccines are to come from the factories within the EU inichanly

Yes me neither. The EU argument is that the UK factories were included in the list of viable factories, so if they see doses being churned out from those factories while they’re being told they can’t get what they paid for then they argue that is not best reasonable effort. It’s one for the lawyers to determine. None of us really know (unless there are some lawyers among us)

 

[random]

None of us really know (unless there are some lawyers among us)

There seems to be loads mate, probably not got actual law degrees but that doesn't seem to stop them very much

 

[summerisle]

 

[Tubey]

There seems to be loads mate, probably not got actual law degrees but that doesn't seem to stop them very much

"Law" is very wide - can be a specialist in one area, a complete novice in another. Degree doesn't mean much really. It's like a GP talking about viral spread when compared to a epidemiologist.

With that contract, all anyone can do from a layperson perspective is guess obviously. My personal best guess is... well, two things. One, the EU will find it hard to prove if they persisted, but they won't as it'd take too much time. Which leads to two - they'll renegotiate the contract for a cheaper price as a remedy for the breach.

We'll see.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ha. Unlikely. The uk has now seen the 'real' face of the EU.

We won't forget

Thankfully, you don't speak on behalf of anyone.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why wouldn't it?

Again, talking about a product that didn't exist 12 months ago. If I'm a Judge I'm laughing any attempt out of court which tries to state AZ should have had fifty plants raring and ready to go with a product that wasn't even approved for sale anywhere until 3-4 weeks ago.

Well that's not true I'm afraid. As you can see from the graphic below, there are 27 vaccine sites across Europe that produce 1.7 billion vaccines per year. The capacity is there, but for some reason AZ decided to put all of their eggs into one basket, which has subsequently failed. Given the importance of this issue and the government support to help ensure stable supplies, does that sound like "best effort" to you?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Well that's not true I'm afraid. As you can see from the graphic below, there are 27 vaccine sites across Europe that produce 1.7 billion vaccines per year. The capacity is there, but for some reason AZ decided to put all of their eggs into one basket, which has subsequently failed. Given the importance of this issue and the government support to help ensure stable supplies, does that sound like "best effort" to you?

Putting on tin foil hat smells of UK political shenanigans and I would go as far and say our Government pulled in some favours with AZ,. and at some.point will ouse out.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It is, but as I said if "best efforts" here means hiring a subby then really it doesn't mean anything at all.

It also has to be remembered that the Oxford scientists themselves state that their vaccine is a continuation of work they've been doing on other vaccines for over a decade. That's a big reason why they were able to develop it so quickly.

Oxford scientists: how we developed our COVID-19 vaccine in record time

What normally takes decades has been achieved in 12 months, without cutting corners.

theconversation.com

So given that, you'd assume that many of the 27 vaccine production facilities in Europe I highlighted earlier would be familiar with producing vaccines based on that previous decade's worth of work.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Putting on tin foil hat smells of political shenanigans and I would go as far and say our Government pulled in some favours with AZ,. and at some.point will ouse out.

As I've said before, it seems that the government struck a deal with the plant in Wrexham to only produce the AZ vaccine for them. It just seems bizarre given the crucial importance of this that a company would have a single point of failure. The car industry are perhaps among the more sophisticated from a logistical perspective and they have multiple suppliers for each part for that very reason.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I posted this a few days back so Bruce could see the process...

The complexity and cost of vaccine manufacturing – An overview - PMC

As companies, countries, and governments consider investments in vaccine production for routine immunization and outbreak response, understanding the complexity and cost drivers associated with vaccine production will help to inform business ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

As per the graphic above, 76% of all vaccines are produced in the EU. The capacity is there. The question is why AZ focused their efforts on a single factory.