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I'm just speechless at the "oversight" there! It's like going through all the procedures, all checks and balance, to press the nuclear launch button, and then going "oops didn't mean that!"

Bollocks!

Nobody in their right mind believes it's an oversight - what's happened is blind panic, and you haven't stopped and thought about the bloody implications. The same reason an unredacted copy of the contract is available. Panic. Stupid, pure, political panic.

an unredacted copy of the contract should have been available all along, mind - so should our contract with them (which we aren't releasing, on national security grounds (!))

I'd also urge everyone who quoted with approval what the CEO of AZ said in that interview a few days ago to go back and compare what he said with what the contract says, by the way.
 
an unredacted copy of the contract should have been available all along, mind - so should our contract with them (which we aren't releasing, on national security grounds (!))

I'd also urge everyone who quoted with approval what the CEO of AZ said in that interview a few days ago to go back and compare what he said with what the contract says, by the way.
Yes it absolutely should've
 
an unredacted copy of the contract should have been available all along, mind - so should our contract with them (which we aren't releasing, on national security grounds (!))

I'd also urge everyone who quoted with approval what the CEO of AZ said in that interview a few days ago to go back and compare what he said with what the contract says, by the way.

That's true for absolutely any contract a government or entity answerable to the people/taxpayer signs. Not a utopian world though unfortunately.
 
I dont honestly know ,you would have to have more knowledge than I have about the terminology of this type of contract to get a true cast iron view on it ,seem a bit ambiguous to me on face value it could mean one thing to one side and something else to the other side.
Sure we will find out soon enough.
Plenty of case law on best efforts/endeavors and reasonable efforts/endeavors.

I would imagine best reasonable efforts amounts to reasonable.
 
At least they realised very quickly.

Damage done though mate. Irish government will be "wtf?" about this, completely undermined, whole principle of protecting the peace process in Ireland thrown out the window at earliest opportunity just to have a pop at Britain and basically label them thieves.

The Irish won't forget that; the DUP will be making a play out of that for years to come.
 
That's true for absolutely any contract a government or entity answerable to the people/taxpayer signs. Not a utopian world though unfortunately.

it shouldn't be though - it isn't even that utopian an ideal, that we who fund the government should know what our money is spent on
 
Plenty of case law on best efforts/endeavors and reasonable efforts/endeavors.

I would imagine best reasonable efforts amounts to reasonable.

Contract law isn't my forté, but if applying common sense then if the AZ supply chain has broken due to unforeseen circumstances, then that's two things - one, a breach of contract, as they aren't supplying the vaccine, but second I can't see how anyone could really say they haven't put best efforts in unless they prove they could have foreseen it and didn't fix it (good luck with proving that in regards to a medicine developed within a year) and/or when noted it was rectified quick enough - again, the timeframe doesn't suit a claimant there.

Occam's Razor again for me - EU ordered late, supply chain buckled, new product developed at warp speed needing to be scaled up massively to blame, 'it is what it is'.
 
Contract law isn't my forté, but if applying common sense then if the AZ supply chain has broken due to unforeseen circumstances, then that's two things - one, a breach of contract, as they aren't supplying the vaccine, but second I can't see how anyone could really say they haven't put best efforts in unless they prove they could have foreseen it and didn't fix it (good luck with proving that in regards to a medicine developed within a year) and/or when noted it was rectified quick enough - again, the timeframe doesn't suit a claimant there.

Occam's Razor again for me - EU ordered late, supply chain buckled, new product developed at warp speed needing to be scaled up massively to blame, 'it is what it is'.

the thing I'd point out here is that "best efforts" here is defined as (apparently) signing a deal with one subcontractor whose (if you believe AZ) failure knocked out 60% of the vaccine supply for the entire content at the worst possible time

it isn't really going to fly, that defence
 
the thing I'd point out here is that "best efforts" here is defined as (apparently) signing a deal with one subcontractor whose (if you believe AZ) failure knocked out 60% of the vaccine supply for the entire content at the worst possible time

it isn't really going to fly, that defence

AZ also lowered our schedule by 80%.
 
the thing I'd point out here is that "best efforts" here is defined as (apparently) signing a deal with one subcontractor whose (if you believe AZ) failure knocked out 60% of the vaccine supply for the entire content at the worst possible time

it isn't really going to fly, that defence

Why wouldn't it?

Again, talking about a product that didn't exist 12 months ago. If I'm a Judge I'm laughing any attempt out of court which tries to state AZ should have had fifty plants raring and ready to go with a product that wasn't even approved for sale anywhere until 3-4 weeks ago.
 
Why wouldn't it?

Again, talking about a product that didn't exist 12 months ago. If I'm a Judge I'm laughing any attempt out of court which tries to state AZ should have had fifty plants raring and ready to go with a product that wasn't even approved for sale anywhere until 3-4 weeks ago.

... and that would be absurd, but if you think "best efforts" could be described as hiring a subcontractor to deliver something for an entire continent from one plant, then I have a lovely bridge to sell you.
 
The cynic might believe that, after their initial failure to support weaker countries at the outset, they sense that another cock up over vaccine would lead some horrid people to suspect that the Commission isn't all it's cracked up to be. And like all weak entities, they overcompensate with a little foot stamping.
 
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