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[Tubey]

... and that would be absurd, but if you think "best efforts" could be described as hiring a subcontractor to deliver something for an entire continent from one plant, then I have a lovely bridge to sell you.

Sorry mate, but neither you nor I know how the biological product is produced, how scalable it is, how long it takes to get facilities off the ground, etc. etc. etc.

The burden of proof is on the EU to say how AZ haven't made "best efforts".

As said, with a product that didn't exist 12 months ago and wasn't available for sale anywhere in the world until 3-4 weeks ago... good luck to them with that.

 

[tsubaki]

Sorry mate, but neither you nor I know how the biological product is produced, how scalable it is, how long it takes to get facilities off the ground, etc. etc. etc.

The burden of proof is on the EU to say how AZ haven't made "best efforts".

As said, with a product that didn't exist 12 months ago and wasn't available for sale anywhere in the world until 3-4 weeks ago... good luck to them with that.

It is, but as I said if "best efforts" here means hiring a subby then really it doesn't mean anything at all.

 

[peteblue]

It is, but as I said if "best efforts" here means hiring a subby then really it doesn't mean anything at all.

What is it you mean by ‘hiring a subby’. Do you have any idea about how these things are done.....

 

[tsubaki]

What is it you mean by ‘hiring a subby’. Do you have any idea about how these things are done.....

pete, please read the rest of that exchange - its explained already

 

[ToffeeTim]

They managed to unite every single part of the political spectrum in Northern Ireland tonight to be fair to them. Its absolutely unprecedented and only took a hundred years lol

 

[peteblue]

pete, please read the rest of that exchange - its explained already

I posted this a few days back so Bruce could see the process...

The complexity and cost of vaccine manufacturing – An overview - PMC

As companies, countries, and governments consider investments in vaccine production for routine immunization and outbreak response, understanding the complexity and cost drivers associated with vaccine production will help to inform business ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[random]

Blind. Panic.

Someone somewhere will be made the sacrificial goat for this.

Wonder how much internal political wrangling will be getting done to make sure that they are the not the one left without a chair when the music stops

 

[peteblue]

They managed to unite every single part of the political spectrum in Northern Ireland tonight to be fair to them. Its absolutely unprecedented and only took a hundred years lol

No mate, we’ve all been fighting for hundreds of years and it took the EU less than 100 minutes to sort it.....god bless the EU......

 

[Tubey]

Someone somewhere will be made the sacrificial goat for this.

Wonder how much internal political wrangling will be getting done to make sure that they are the one not left without a chair when the music stops

It's triggering an article in an international treaty; it's not something the office secretary can do on the sly like haha

Buck stops at the very top.

 

[peteblue]

Someone somewhere will be made the sacrificial goat for this.

Wonder how much internal political wrangling will be getting done to make sure that they are the one not left without a chair when the music stops

Well the Germans won’t want it to be VDL, unless Merkel decides she wants it for herself. Obviously no one from France will be pointed at.....so I’m going with someone from ........Greece......

 

[peteblue]

It's triggering an article in an international treaty; it's not something the office secretary can do on the sly like haha

Buck stops at the very top.

Probably a typo...or fat fingers.....

 

[tsubaki]

I posted this a few days back so Bruce could see the process...

The complexity and cost of vaccine manufacturing – An overview - PMC

As companies, countries, and governments consider investments in vaccine production for routine immunization and outbreak response, understanding the complexity and cost drivers associated with vaccine production will help to inform business ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

yes, and please read that

if you can find the bit that says "and in the event of a global pandemic, its fine to get one continent to rely on one plant" then I'll give you some rep

 

[Jebus_lives]

Contract law isn't my forté, but if applying common sense then if the AZ supply chain has broken due to unforeseen circumstances, then that's two things - one, a breach of contract, as they aren't supplying the vaccine, but second I can't see how anyone could really say they haven't put best efforts in unless they prove they could have foreseen it and didn't fix it (good luck with proving that in regards to a medicine developed within a year) and/or when noted it was rectified quick enough - again, the timeframe doesn't suit a claimant there.

Occam's Razor again for me - EU ordered late, supply chain buckled, new product developed at warp speed needing to be scaled up massively to blame, 'it is what it is'.

Two issues I think - the best efforts in building capacity' and best efforts to deliver vaccines.

It will depend on the APA and what expectations were built into that regarding warning and notification of disruption as well.

I've not read it yet so couldn't say with any degree of certainty about any of it.

 

[peteblue]

yes, and please read that

if you can find the bit that says "and in the event of a global pandemic, its fine to get one continent to rely on one plant" then I'll give you some rep

Reps gone mate, we never did it in here, well we did but then it was ditched....

 

[Jebus_lives]

Why wouldn't it?

Again, talking about a product that didn't exist 12 months ago. If I'm a Judge I'm laughing any attempt out of court which tries to state AZ should have had fifty plants raring and ready to go with a product that wasn't even approved for sale anywhere until 3-4 weeks ago.

That is what the APA is for I think.