Current Affairs EU In or Out

[dead_soft]

She does do stuff with Momentum now. Some of my wifes friends are in Momentum, majority of their time is helping out at foodbanks.

Momentum get painted out to be this imaginable beast which causes chaos. I just don't see it personally.

Yet, you said they have handpicked MP's. Kim wasn't picked by Momentum, but rather her links to Unison.

Absolutely barmy of @BlueDraka to suggest Unison is some sort of Momentum cover to infiltrate the Labour Party considering it's one of the more moderate of the unions and often gets accused of being too moderate. Crackers.
And, as you say, to portray Momentum as some crushing chaotic force is a bit silly.

 

[BlueDraka]

She does do stuff with Momentum now. Some of my wifes friends are in Momentum, majority of their time is helping out at foodbanks.

Momentum get painted out to be this imaginable beast which causes chaos. I just don't see it personally.

Yet, you said they have handpicked MP's. Kim wasn't picked by Momentum, but rather her links to Unison.

Ok you probably have more knowledge about her than me. Unfortunately unless labour deals with momentum they are unelectable in my book. I got involved in the Labour party late 70s and joined militant tendancy. But had some disagreements and like I said if you are not with them you are the enemy. That being said Hatton did some good stuff but he was spending money the council didn't have. Ended up nearly bankrupting Liverpool.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, the EU made a mess of ordering vaccines and had the French pushing for their own, they spent more time haggling over price, and even now still haven’t approved the Oxford one. This is what the EU does, everything is slowed down.....

I've already said that. Your argument was that there was a German conspiracy, hence why they had a lot of people vaccinated while other European countries had not started yet.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Or Macron daft enough to be waiting for a French vaccine?

I doubt it.

Covid: The challenge in speeding up France's vaccination drive

As France seeks to speed up its coronavirus vaccination programme, it battles fear and distrust.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

As predicated second week of January. And tariff free is looking not so tariff free. Welcome to costing a lot more Britain.

Brexit: M&S temporarily cuts hundreds of products in NI

Criticism of new Brexit trade rules is growing as firms warn of more bureaucracy, higher costs and delays.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BluePeadar]

As predicated second week of January. And tariff free is looking not so tariff free. Welcome to costing a lot more Britain.

Brexit: M&S temporarily cuts hundreds of products in NI

Criticism of new Brexit trade rules is growing as firms warn of more bureaucracy, higher costs and delays.

www.bbc.co.uk

Funny no mention of this in the moron comics like Daily Mail or Daily Express.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Funny no mention of this in the moron comics like Daily Mail or Daily Express.

Soon be about lazy Brits, in particular younger ones...

 

[Jebus_lives]

I've already said that. Your argument was that there was a German conspiracy, hence why they had a lot of people vaccinated while other European countries had not started yet.

Far be it from me to contradict someone who will be across all the detail as Pete always is; but it's an odd play to declare the EU vaccine rollout a 'horlicks' one week into a year long vaccination programme from the 'let's wait and see' brigade.

Other than mud slinging, there is no evidence for any politicisation in the EU procurement process other than pretty shady German sources, which don't really have much merit.

As stated, the current roll-out problems have nothing to do with procurement. The EU ordered in summer around 2bn doses from a range of manufacturers (6 I think) but there was no guarantee which would be first to approval. Which is why the figure represents an over order in vaccine.

If anything, the slow rollout has been a result of slow manufacture process which is why the EU have loaned money to increase production growth https://donortracker.org/EIB-US$109 million-loan-German-biotech-company-manufacture-COVID-19-vaccine

As the approval for its range of vaccines, without an expedited approval process (not everyone thinks rapid approval is a good thing regarding vaccines!) begins to take effect, you will start to see a much quicker vaccination rollout (depending upon the strategy of each country which I've pointed out is down to individual countries).

Maybe we should reassess in 4 months rather than making bold declarations in week 1 about the perspective merits of vaccination rollout rather than declaring one a success and the other a 'horlicks'.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

In a meeting with the EU at the moment. It's deadly dull. I might be changing my mind.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

In a meeting with the EU at the moment. It's deadly dull. I might be changing my mind.

You wearing your Union Jack suit?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Absolutely barmy of @BlueDraka to suggest Unison is some sort of Momentum cover to infiltrate the Labour Party considering it's one of the more moderate of the unions and often gets accused of being too moderate. Crackers.
And, as you say, to portray Momentum as some crushing chaotic force is a bit silly.

People don’t even know what momentum are or do. Just regurgitating the nonsense they’ve been breast fed.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You wearing your Union Jack suit?

I've got 3 flags behind me and a Beefeater tea cup.

 

[Billy Dean]

We have a Tory party filled with toadies and a cabinet who have a documented history of lobbying for exactly the sort of 'deregulation' and reduction in individual rights that Hannan is pushing for.

It's not a 'done deal' obviously, but it's most definitely the direction of travel.

I asked you not long ago able detail behind the rhetoric

'taking back control of our laws' - to do what?

Become more 'fleet of foot?' - to what end?

Be free of EU regulations - what are they doing that we want to stop?

I don't think you ever answered then so I'm not sure what your thoughts are. But when pressed all like likes of Hannan, Raab, Patel, Mogg can offer is human rights, workers right, standards on goods disguised as evils that harm the UK population.

There was a speech made by Daniel Hannan that was being shared around social media recently. He was addressing some board of farming trade or other in the US. I can't remember exactly. But he was complaining about how the UK doesn't have the freedom to buy the US' chlorinated chicken if it wants to lol

He's a repulsive toad along with the other most vociferous of leave campaigners. Just knowing the identity of those who wanted Brexit should be indicative enough of what's likely to come. They now have a comfortable majority to do pretty much what they want for the next 5 years.

 

[peteblue]

I've already said that. Your argument was that there was a German conspiracy, hence why they had a lot of people vaccinated while other European countries had not started yet.

Germany bought additional vaccines for itself, as I understand it...this of course may be wrong, but the numbers to date suggest otherwise....

 

[peteblue]

And in other EU news, the current push for an investment deal with China, while Hong Kong is being put on the rack, is being driven for the benefit of who ? Which EU countries gain from this shabby deal ?... Perhaps the MEP’s will put a stop to it......