Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Prevenger17]

However, in respect of getting a quick U.K.-USA trade deal in place there is no doubt he would have been better for the U.K....

A quick one? Maybe. A good one, definitely not. If I'm negotiating with someone, I would want them to be a fairly reasonable, stable individual who can weigh up the various parts of a proposition, realises they have to give quarter and can be relied upon to stick to it when the deal is made. I think you just thought Trump was the best option solely because he's described as "right-wing" and maybe reminds you of the numpty Prime Minister you worship. But dealing with him would have been a disaster. Your deal with the EU isn't great, so you need the US. You don't want to be banking on a guy who believes in Qanon and is only happy to incite an insurrection in his own country because he didn't get his way. Cutting a deal with such a man wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on

 

[peteblue]

A quick one? Maybe. A good one, definitely not. If I'm negotiating with someone, I would want them to be a fairly reasonable, stable individual who can weigh up the various parts of a proposition, realises they have to give quarter and can be relied upon to stick to it when the deal is made. I think you just thought Trump was the best option solely because he's described as "right-wing" and maybe reminds you of the numpty Prime Minister you worship. But dealing with him would have been a disaster. Your deal with the EU isn't great, so you need the US. You don't want to be banking on a guy who believes in Qanon and is only happy to incite an insurrection in his own country because he didn't get his way. Cutting a deal with such a man wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on

Perhaps, we shall just have to see how Biden shapes up when he takes over...hopefully some of the work done to date may provide a framework....

 

[peteblue]

If you cant even see the similar MO used by Trump and some of the major Brexit folk........

I think people are just trying to see links and similarities where none exist. Just because Farage and Trump got on really well, this has no bearing whatsoever on the turmoil currently going on in the USA, much less the fact that Brexit was voted for by the U.K.....

 

[roydo]

I think people are just trying to see links and similarities where none exist. Just because Farage and Trump got on really well, this has no bearing whatsoever on the turmoil currently going on in the USA, much less the fact that Brexit was voted for by the U.K.....

Like I said, if you cant see it. Thats why its such a powerful weapon.

Its not even about the actual events, it their causation.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I’m expecting Brexit to be blamed for Covid next.....

Did you miss this Pete?

My only surprise is that he wasn't introduced as Pete from Leicestershire lol

 

[Deleted member 43796]

I think people are just trying to see links and similarities where none exist. Just because Farage and Trump got on really well, this has no bearing whatsoever on the turmoil currently going on in the USA, much less the fact that Brexit was voted for by the U.K.....

It’s literally the exact same sphere of influence (Mercer, Bannon, Nix, [and by extension] Banks) which has facilitated both political outcomes.

 

[peteblue]

It’s literally the exact same sphere of influence (Mercer, Bannon, Nix, [and by extension] Banks) which has facilitated both political outcomes.

1) who are these people
2) what political outcomes

 

[Jebus_lives]

In mitigation for Mr Moggi he didn't think it would take another 3 years to finalise Brexit and he certainly didn't expect there to be an Irishman sitting in the Whitehouse lol

I suppose not. However, he quite often makes proclaimations which sound credible but have no actual basis in reality.

See his thoughts on Art.62 Vienna Convention

More staggering is the suggestion that the heralded post Brexit 'greatest ally of Britain' will be a Facist.

 

[Barnfred 55]

As regards all those Daniel Hannen posts.

They are very extreme views and it's worrying that somebody like him acts as an advisor to the board of trade. Personally I can't see there is any way that this government will try and implement them as policy, and even if they did it's inconceivable they'll get through Parliament.

But please do go ahead and treat it all as a done deal if it makes you feel better.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Like I said, if you cant see it. Thats why its such a powerful weapon.

Its not even about the actual events, it their causation.

He can obviously see it. He's pretending he can't. There have been widely reported connections between the Trump campaign and Brexit, through Cambridge Analytica and Steve Bannon.

Farage and his vote leave cronies pandering to Trump and pushing for UK-US trade relations.

Now it may be that they feel they share a common ideology and that's as far as it extends, which for someone who has inhabited these pages as Pete has, could be a credible defence (although it would leave him open to accusations of support for fascists) so he's gone with 'I've no idea who they are are or why they are relevant' which makes him seem like he's either a liar (heaven forbid) or pretty naive.

 

[roydo]

As regards all those Daniel Hannen posts.

They are very extreme views and it's worrying that somebody like him acts as an advisor to the board of trade. Personally I can't see there is any way that this government will try and implement them as policy, and even if they did it's inconceivable they'll get through Parliament.

But please do go ahead and treat it all as a done deal if it makes you feel better.

Its not a case of saying its a done deal though.

Its the bit in black. This is what some are meaning when they say it will eventually sink in. By then, its too late.

We have seen the effect of a populist politician, spouting garbage that their audience lap up, can have just yesterday in DC.

Make America Great Again has as much truth in it as Take Back Control.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Like I said, if you cant see it. Thats why its such a powerful weapon.

Its not even about the actual events, it their causation.

It's like we didn't have papers branding people traitors for opposing Brexit, or the governing party actively advocating Trump'ian tactics. The skinhead footie lads would definitely not be up for the kind of antics seen in Washington.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I suppose not. However, he quite often makes proclaimations which sound credible but have no actual basis in reality.

See his thoughts on Art.62 Vienna Convention

More staggering is the suggestion that the heralded post Brexit 'greatest ally of Britain' will be a Facist.

Why on earth would you be staggered given the common perception on here is that Rees-Mogg and most of his fellow cabinet members are also fascists.?

 

[Jebus_lives]

As regards all those Daniel Hannen posts.

They are very extreme views and it's worrying that somebody like him acts as an advisor to the board of trade. Personally I can't see there is any way that this government will try and implement them as policy, and even if they did it's inconceivable they'll get through Parliament.

But please do go ahead and treat it all as a done deal if it makes you feel better.

We have a Tory party filled with toadies and a cabinet who have a documented history of lobbying for exactly the sort of 'deregulation' and reduction in individual rights that Hannan is pushing for.

It's not a 'done deal' obviously, but it's most definitely the direction of travel.

I asked you not long ago able detail behind the rhetoric

'taking back control of our laws' - to do what?

Become more 'fleet of foot?' - to what end?

Be free of EU regulations - what are they doing that we want to stop?

I don't think you ever answered then so I'm not sure what your thoughts are. But when pressed all like likes of Hannan, Raab, Patel, Mogg can offer is human rights, workers right, standards on goods disguised as evils that harm the UK population.

 

[dead_soft]

So you agree with Bruce that the carnage on Capitol Hill is all down to Brexit then.....right, don’t call us we’ll call you....

Nope, I never said that and neither did he.

For the last 4 or 5 years everything you want to believe keeps being shown up as untrue and you have no argument against it except to either switch the debate, lie, or go'...'