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[dead_soft]

He’s gone off on one because he can’t handle being beaten in what he thinks was a rigged election. Tough. However, in respect of getting a quick U.K.-USA trade deal in place there is no doubt he would have been better for the U.K....

Do you still think Trump is a skilled negotiator and a good businessman?

 

[Barnfred 55]

Its not a case of saying its a done deal though.

Scrap EU consumer and worker protections now Brexit is completed, leading Tory says

Safeguards over data, pay and conditions, GM foods, hedge funds and disposal of old vehicles should all be binned, Daniel Hannan says

www.independent.co.uk

What a surprise.

Turkeys, enjoy the Christmas you voted for.

Wow, that took Hannan a while. Would've expected it sooner from him tbh.

What's mad is that if I were selfish, I'd be calling for these things too, as I'd be able to personally benefit from them.

But I have a heart. I recognise that some things exist for the greater good, not just to prevent me lining my own pockets.

Monsters like Hannan don't have that element of social conscience. Not even an ounce of it.

Anyone on the left or working class who voted for this lunacy, you got taken advantage of and fooled, and thus confirmed the stereotype of the stupid lower classes. Well done.

Hannan starts the ball rolling on the real Brexit con. Having promised people to give them back power from the ‘elites’, the actual elites can now begin removing rights from the powerless.

How could anyone have known....

This is what 'fleet of foot' means.

These all sound pretty definite to me.

They are the extreme views of a known euro sceptic expressed in an internet article. Suddenly they become government policy according to GOT posters.

As I said. It's worrying that somebody with such extreme views has such a role at the Board of Trade. But it doesn't follow that those views will become government policy.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Why on earth would you be staggered given the common perception on here is that Rees-Mogg and most of his fellow cabinet members are also fascists.?

What an odd part of the post to highlight...

I'm staggered that it's given mainstream credibility by those who think these people are acting in the UKs best interests and aren't given more scrutiny by supporters of Brexit who when presented with these details and obvious 'red flags' suggest 'it won't/can't happen here', dismiss it as 'project Fear' or simply offer 'wait and see'.

 

[Jebus_lives]

These all sound pretty definite to me.

They are the extreme views of a known euro sceptic expressed in an internet article. Suddenly they become government policy according to GOT posters.

As I said. It's worrying that somebody with such extreme views has such a role at the Board of Trade. But it doesn't follow that those views will become government policy.

I've never suggested they are Government policy. Stop building a straw man.

Edit: none of those posts do.

 

[Blue 1]

These all sound pretty definite to me.

They are the extreme views of a known euro sceptic expressed in an internet article. Suddenly they become government policy according to GOT posters.

As I said. It's worrying that somebody with such extreme views has such a role at the Board of Trade. But it doesn't follow that those views will become government policy.

Excuse me. Government policy? I said nothing of the sort, other than I'm surprised that it took Hannan so long to express this view post-Brexit. That he holds such views is pretty well known.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We have a Tory party filled with toadies and a cabinet who have a documented history of lobbying for exactly the sort of 'deregulation' and reduction in individual rights that Hannan is pushing for.

It's not a 'done deal' obviously, but it's most definitely the direction of travel.

I asked you not long ago able detail behind the rhetoric

'taking back control of our laws' - to do what?

Become more 'fleet of foot?' - to what end?

Be free of EU regulations - what are they doing that we want to stop?

I don't think you ever answered then so I'm not sure what your thoughts are. But when pressed all like likes of Hannan, Raab, Patel, Mogg can offer is human rights, workers right, standards on goods disguised as evils that harm the UK population.

We're also seeing Google, Facebook et al move their legal responsibility for data back to California now, which to all intents and purposes makes them outside of our jurisdiction. Maybe that's taking back control in some way.

Why Google and Facebook are shifting British data to America

Projecting British law into California may prove difficult

www.economist.com

 

[Bruce Wayne]

These all sound pretty definite to me.

They are the extreme views of a known euro sceptic expressed in an internet article. Suddenly they become government policy according to GOT posters.

As I said. It's worrying that somebody with such extreme views has such a role at the Board of Trade. But it doesn't follow that those views will become government policy.

Do you reckon they'd have made him a Lord if they weren't broadly supportive?

 

[roydo]

As I said. It's worrying that somebody with such extreme views has such a role at the Board of Trade. But it doesn't follow that those views will become government policy.

And non of the posts you flagged said it IS government policy.

But its being discussed. And many on here, for years, have counselled about the real reasons that Brexit was championed by the luminaries who did.

How are the Cornish fishermen today? And its 7 whole days into the brand new world.

 

[Barnfred 55]

We have a Tory party filled with toadies and a cabinet who have a documented history of lobbying for exactly the sort of 'deregulation' and reduction in individual rights that Hannan is pushing for.

It's not a 'done deal' obviously, but it's most definitely the direction of travel.

I asked you not long ago able detail behind the rhetoric

'taking back control of our laws' - to do what?

Become more 'fleet of foot?' - to what end?

Be free of EU regulations - what are they doing that we want to stop?

I don't think you ever answered then so I'm not sure what your thoughts are. But when pressed all like likes of Hannan, Raab, Patel, Mogg can offer is human rights, workers right, standards on goods disguised as evils that harm the UK population.

I don't believe it is the direction of travel we will take.

I don't recall you asking me that question. I likely had you on ignore at the time. But in answer, fleet of foot. Haven't a clue what you're talking about. EU regulations, well trade deals obviously and we are also well out of the CFP and CAP. Laws? Not sure tbh, maybe state aid and that sort of thing. I certainly don't think we will be diminishing any of our human rights, workers rights goods standards and the like. The UK public wouldn't stand for it and they will be out on their ears at the next election.

 

[roydo]

The UK public wouldn't stand for it and they will be out on their ears at the next election.

Thats the thing though.

It wont be in a manifesto, or a campaign slogan. But the genie is out of the bottle.

Take Back Control should cover it.

 

[Barnfred 55]

But its being discussed.

We don't know that. They were views expressed on an internet website.

And ALL of those posts I linked were rubbing Brexit voters noses in it as if were government policy. They were crowing.

 

[roydo]

We don't know that. They were views expressed on an internet website.

And ALL of those posts I linked were rubbing Brexit voters noses in it as if were government policy. They were crowing.

You clearly dont get it.

I really really really hope I am wrong. But at least I wont be surprised.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Excuse me. Government policy? I said nothing of the sort, other than I'm surprised that it took Hannan so long to express this view post-Brexit. That he holds such views is pretty well known.

Apologies. I shouldn't have linked your post but I was on a roll.

 

[peteblue]

Do you still think Trump is a skilled negotiator and a good businessman?

At the moment he’s lost the plot completely....

 

[peteblue]

Nope, I never said that and neither did he.

For the last 4 or 5 years everything you want to believe keeps being shown up as untrue and you have no argument against it except to either switch the debate, lie, or go'...'

So basically you’ve got nothing.....