Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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I think it is. It was in response to someone pointing out the small minority of right wing idiots in the Tory party. I was pointing out that there are left wing idiots in the Labour party
'Small minority'

Patel - Home Secretary
Dominic Raab - Foreign Secretary
Kwasi Kwarteng - Business secretary
Truss - Secretary of State for International Trade

Momentum haven't even been in the ruling party, let alone in crucial positions in Government.
 
I don't know why I come in this thread sometimes mate, but all I can say is that it is addictive.

I know it is going to be full of articles and links to social media that are going to paint Brexit in a bad light. The forum is heavily pro Remain so that's understandable. Many of the links have merit. many don't. As somebody who voted Brexit I feel I should highlight the ones I don't believe have merit but like to think I remain balanced by criticising it too when it things go wrong.

I understand why many people would have voted Remain and have never ever questioned their decision to do so. I also have come to accept that they will continue question Brexit and post stuff that show it up in a bad light.

What I do find difficult to understand is why everybody is so quick to assume the worst. For instance, that Hannen article is a known euro sceptics point of view, but posted in a way that suggests it will all come about, when the reality is that none of us know whether it's even been discussed yet. You say you don't see it that way but to me it is absolutely obvious. So when I question it I get bombarded with posts left right and centre. One of them actually had a point and I acknowledged that, as I always do.

But basically I'm coming to the conclusion that we look at things and see them completely differently. Hence my comment abut speaking a different language sometimes.

To be fair, you quoted half a dozen people on the Hannan point, including me, so you can’t be too surprised if people then respond to you.

For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not making a claim that this (the revocation of consumer/ worker rights) will definitely happen, 100%. It’s speculation, of course.

But it’s been widely speculated for years that a part of Brexit will be the erosion of certain rights, under the banner of ‘deregulation’, and Hannan isn’t some random, unknown blogger, he’s a PM appointed life peer and has been a leading voice on Brexit, with some influence in the corridors of power.

So I’d be entirely unsurprised if many rights were ‘revisited’ in the coming months. But again, this is speculation, it’s not something I believe with 100% conviction or logical certainty, nor am I asking anyone else to believe it either.
 
I think it is. It was in response to someone pointing out the small minority of right wing idiots in the Tory party. I was pointing out that there are left wing idiots in the Labour party
Small minority? Majority of the cabinet are right wing idiots.........as are a goodly amount of "Labour" PLP members.
Define a "left wing idiot" please. What policies do they espouse, and who are they?
 
What I do find difficult to understand is why everybody is so quick to assume the worst. For instance, that Hannen article is a known euro sceptics point of view, but posted in a way that suggests it will all come about, when the reality is that none of us know whether it's even been discussed yet.

I get that. If you can find one post from me where I have blamed or credited an outcome as a good or bad thing, Brexit related, then be my guest.

The central issue for me was the ridiculous stuff spouted, by folk I wouldnt trust to read a Janet and John book, being lapped up by people as true. Or even realistic. You have seen first hand in Cornwall how Control of our Fish is bollox, in reality.

So I am not some cheerleader for all things EU, I just didnt believe the crap. And on balance, an annoying EU rule or whatever is less dangerous than the leaders/influancers of the Leave campaign.
 
To be fair, you quoted half a dozen people on the Hannan point, including me, so you can’t be too surprised if people then respond to you.

For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not making a claim that this (the revocation of consumer/ worker rights) will definitely happen, 100%. It’s speculation, of course.

But it’s been widely speculated for years that a part of Brexit will be the erosion of certain rights, under the banner of ‘deregulation’, and Hannan isn’t some random, unknown blogger, he’s a PM appointed life peer and has been a leading voice on Brexit, with some influence in the corridors of power.

So I’d be entirely unsurprised if many rights were ‘revisited’ in the coming months. But again, this is speculation, it’s not something I believe with 100% conviction or logical certainty, nor am I asking anyone else to believe it either.
Is all fair comment and had you made that post i would not have had any reason to question it. And as I said, it was a mistake to have linked your earlier post which was merely stating what I already had acknowledged myself.

For my part, I'm not confident that there will be no changes at all to the various laws discussed. However I am convinced there will not be substantial or significant changes as i do not believe the UK voting public will stand for it. If there are, then I'll be the first to hold my hand up and say I got it wrong, but the Tories must know they'll be signing their own death warrant if they take things too far. I just can't see them being so stupid.
 
From Ireland


But data protection lawyers say there will be little change in how Google’s UK user data is protected, if the UK continues to implement GDPR, says The Times. The UK took GDPR into its own law when the EU brought it in, meaning GDPR protections may not be affected by Brexit.
There will be little change for now, but given Hannan's views on reducing regulation, I wouldn't be at all surprised if data protections aren't also reduced in order to make Britain "competitive". That is certainly what the tech companies will lobby for.
 
If the EU solidarity is so wonderful, can someone explain why Germany has so much more Covid vaccine than the rest of the EU......

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Or is it that having insisted on the EU acting as a common facilitator, Germany snaffled their own supplies like they did with not allowing ppe to be exported while Italy was in dire straights......oh and wonderful France has now done about 7,000.....impressive huh.....
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/01/05/europe-has-fallen-behind-on-covid-19-vaccination might help to understand things Pete. There's no German conspiracy.
 
Is all fair comment and had you made that post i would not have had any reason to question it. And as I said, it was a mistake to have linked your earlier post which was merely stating what I already had acknowledged myself.

For my part, I'm not confident that there will be no changes at all to the various laws discussed. However I am convinced there will not be substantial or significant changes as i do not believe the UK voting public will stand for it. If there are, then I'll be the first to hold my hand up and say I got it wrong, but the Tories must know they'll be signing their own death warrant if they take things too far. I just can't see them being so stupid.

Fair enough, I’m certainly not convinced of that as you are, I think there are many who would love to see rights eroded, as those rights in question are for other’s protection, not theirs, but it’s a point I genuinely hope you’re right on.

Either way, I’m not the vaulting type, people in power are the ones to be held to account, not people on the internet with a different opinion to me.
 
Is all fair comment and had you made that post i would not have had any reason to question it. And as I said, it was a mistake to have linked your earlier post which was merely stating what I already had acknowledged myself.

For my part, I'm not confident that there will be no changes at all to the various laws discussed. However I am convinced there will not be substantial or significant changes as i do not believe the UK voting public will stand for it. If there are, then I'll be the first to hold my hand up and say I got it wrong, but the Tories must know they'll be signing their own death warrant if they take things too far. I just can't see them being so stupid.
"I do not believe the UK voting public will stand for it"
Already stood for 10 years of unneccesary austerity when there was no need for it, and gave a proven liar and charlatan an 80 seat majority.
OK mate
 
Small minority? Majority of the cabinet are right wing idiots.........as are a goodly amount of "Labour" PLP members.
Define a "left wing idiot" please. What policies do they espouse, and who are they?
I'll go back to the 80s when I was involved. Derek Hatton, tony mulhearn, Terry fields had many a run in with them. It was their view and no one else mattered. If you weren't with them you were an enemy a class traitor they would try and intimidate you and make your life hell. Blame them and others like them for getting Thatcher in power for so long
Fast forward To Corbyn, John Mcdonnell in the last election. Momentum used the heavy mob tactics to back them and intimidate other MPs.. just on Merseyside that gave anti- semitic abuse to Ellman and berger forcing them out. They took over and installed their own thinking MPs.
Nothing wrong with that but they lost their own traditional vote in the North. Probably paving the way for this idiot to be re elected
 
Yes Bruce, I understand that the EU have made a complete Horlicks of it, but why the disparity in the numbers.....
Because, as the article says, while the Commission has collectively procured and approved the vaccines, the job of getting those vaccines in people's arms are down to national governments. The Czech government, for instance, have only just published their vaccination plan. I think I shared it previously, but this article provides a decent overview of the state of play across Europe

 
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