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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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We're also seeing Google, Facebook et al move their legal responsibility for data back to California now, which to all intents and purposes makes them outside of our jurisdiction. Maybe that's taking back control in some way.

From Ireland


But data protection lawyers say there will be little change in how Google’s UK user data is protected, if the UK continues to implement GDPR, says The Times. The UK took GDPR into its own law when the EU brought it in, meaning GDPR protections may not be affected by Brexit.
 
Thats the thing though.

It wont be in a manifesto, or a campaign slogan. But the genie is out of the bottle.

Take Back Control should cover it.

Johnson Vows to Slash Business Rules, Asking U.K. Bosses to Help​

By
Alex Morales
,
Joe Mayes
, and
Charlotte Ryan
,
6 January 2021, 17:24 GMT
Boris Johnson


Photographer: Simon Dawson/Bloomberg
Prime Minister Boris Johnson asked business leaders to help him decide which regulations should be ripped up now that the U.K. has completed its divorce from the European Union.


The premier made the offer in a call Wednesday afternoon with some 250 corporate leaders, according to four people with knowledge of the matter. He asked what red tape could be cut to make life easier for Britain’s companies to operate after Brexit.
 
It's like we didn't have papers branding people traitors for opposing Brexit, or the governing party actively advocating Trump'ian tactics. The skinhead footie lads would definitely not be up for the kind of antics seen in Washington.
Looking at the way the police dealt with them in the summer don't think they would be able to. RIot police were waiting for them and took action immediately. The police easily dealt with them
 
If the EU solidarity is so wonderful, can someone explain why Germany has so much more Covid vaccine than the rest of the EU......

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Or is it that having insisted on the EU acting as a common facilitator, Germany snaffled their own supplies like they did with not allowing ppe to be exported while Italy was in dire straights......oh and wonderful France has now done about 7,000.....impressive huh.....
 
I've never suggested they are Government policy. Stop building a straw man.

Edit: none of those posts do.
People, including you, have reacted as if it has become government policy. Like this is what is going to happen. And yes, crowing and gloating at us Brexit voters for being so stupid and gullible.

Well in my opinion it isn't going to happen. If it does vault me.
 
I don't believe it is the direction of travel we will take.

I don't recall you asking me that question. I likely had you on ignore at the time. But in answer, fleet of foot. Haven't a clue what you're talking about. EU regulations, well trade deals obviously and we are also well out of the CFP and CAP. Laws? Not sure tbh, maybe state aid and that sort of thing. I certainly don't think we will be diminishing any of our human rights, workers rights goods standards and the like. The UK public wouldn't stand for it and they will be out on their ears at the next election.
You definitely didn't have me on ignore, you answered everything but that question.

So back to 'I don't know' and 'maybe'.

Fleet of foot - it's been discussed plenty of times in here as a rationale for leaving (presumably as a counter to cumbersome EU) but it hasn't been fleshed out beyond stating it as a desire to 'do things quicker and with less regulation'

Laws: perhaps state aid or that sort of thing :coffee:

The UK has decided to stop the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights having affect after the UK leaves the EU which includes things like equal treatment for part-time workers.

There has been no promise to respect European human rights law, one reason for lack of EU cooperation on security and criminal justice. (Also I'd note a fairly long standing Tory commitment to dispense with the Human Rights Act and they've just launched a review https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-launches-independent-review-of-the-human-rights-act).

The WA bill was amended to remove clauses about EU workers rights (Clause 34 and Schedule 4 https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-19/europeanunionwithdrawalagreement.html if you're interested).

They would've included issues such as working time, holiday pay, maternity rights and discrimination. As a member of the EU, the UK couldnt reduce those rights below the minimum level set by EU law (we could've gone beyond them but we didnt)

Now, you'll probably say 'wait and see' and the government have promised they won't reduce workers rights https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tories-vow-to-stand-up-for-workers-rights-jwdjvtdmm

But you really need to have good faith as a Government for people to think you'll do what you say - something which is in pretty short supply for this Government.
 
People, including you, have reacted as if it has become government policy. Like this is what is going to happen. And yes, crowing and gloating at us Brexit voters for being so stupid and gullible.

Well in my opinion it isn't going to happen. If it does vault me.
I haven't done anything of the sort. Neither did anyone in the posts you quoted.

It does however signal an intention (from similar minded people to Hannan) and a statement of possibility as a result of the 'advatanges Brexit has brought'.
 
I understand the sound bite stuff mate. I can see why they appeal.

But I find it strange that folk dont question the voracity of them.
I don't know why I come in this thread sometimes mate, but all I can say is that it is addictive.

I know it is going to be full of articles and links to social media that are going to paint Brexit in a bad light. The forum is heavily pro Remain so that's understandable. Many of the links have merit. many don't. As somebody who voted Brexit I feel I should highlight the ones I don't believe have merit but like to think I remain balanced by criticising it too when it things go wrong.

I understand why many people would have voted Remain and have never ever questioned their decision to do so. I also have come to accept that they will continue question Brexit and post stuff that show it up in a bad light.

What I do find difficult to understand is why everybody is so quick to assume the worst. For instance, that Hannen article is a known euro sceptics point of view, but posted in a way that suggests it will all come about, when the reality is that none of us know whether it's even been discussed yet. You say you don't see it that way but to me it is absolutely obvious. So when I question it I get bombarded with posts left right and centre. One of them actually had a point and I acknowledged that, as I always do.

But basically I'm coming to the conclusion that we look at things and see them completely differently. Hence my comment abut speaking a different language sometimes.
 
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