Current Affairs EU In or Out

[SteveSC]

you know there can be legal refugees, right?

Technically all those who are refugees are legal. As are those seeking claim until a judge says you or new that is.

Illegal aliens or those undocumented would be those who were turned down as they have no case for refugee status or any other visa for that matter.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What sort of life in France are they escaping. I thought you all believed that the EU was heaven on earth, or have I missed something.....how many refugees are going the other way ?

There are numerous reasons why people choose to live somewhere, and lets be honest, they will have probably been through various countries before they got to France, and eventually the UK. Why did Tommy Robinson "seek safety from his persecution" in Spain rather than France? Presumably because he thought he could do better there. Maybe he liked the weather. Maybe he liked the large expat community. Why do people choose to move to places? The evidence suggests it's predominantly due to work or family/friends.

What perhaps might be of interest, is that there have been a few studies recently into undocumented immigrants in the US, and not only do they show that they contribute far more economically than they cost, but they would also benefit the economy far more than the cost if they were involved in the covid stimulus packages doled out (which they're not currently). It's almost like people making such a huge decision to relocate are going to move heaven and earth to make it work, which benefits the host community. It's groundbreaking I know.

 

[Walken]

That right there is what gaslighting governments and a complicit media can do to a populace, and it is utterly shameful on all our parts

 

[spectateur]

It is so sad, and it’s disgraceful that the wonderful EU and France treat them so......then blame us for being nice to them.....absolute cretins...,,

As far as I know, France treats asylum seekers fairly.
The authorities comedown hard on the sans papiers who will not apply for asylum in France and cause social problems in places they use as transit camps en route for England.
These people want to go to UK because they already have relatives there or because they are deluded that UK is eldorado.
Again, France treats asylum seekers fairly.,but doesn't care for anonymous unknown and unregistered strangers wandering around the country. Hence they are tough on these people.

 

[peteblue]

There are numerous reasons why people choose to live somewhere, and lets be honest, they will have probably been through various countries before they got to France, and eventually the UK. Why did Tommy Robinson "seek safety from his persecution" in Spain rather than France? Presumably because he thought he could do better there. Maybe he liked the weather. Maybe he liked the large expat community. Why do people choose to move to places? The evidence suggests it's predominantly due to work or family/friends.

What perhaps might be of interest, is that there have been a few studies recently into undocumented immigrants in the US, and not only do they show that they contribute far more economically than they cost, but they would also benefit the economy far more than the cost if they were involved in the covid stimulus packages doled out (which they're not currently). It's almost like people making such a huge decision to relocate are going to move heaven and earth to make it work, which benefits the host community. It's groundbreaking I know.

Bruce, I have no problem with people wanting to come to the U.K. to work and live. But they are not refugees. They were when they arrived in the EU, but now they are undocumented people in the EU. They should register in the EU and then apply to come to the U.K. without risking their lives and enriching people smugglers....

 

[dead_soft]

Bruce, I have no problem with people wanting to come to the U.K. to work and live. But they are not refugees. They were when they arrived in the EU, but now they are undocumented people in the EU. They should register in the EU and then apply to come to the U.K. without risking their lives and enriching people smugglers....

Do you genuinely think it is that simple a thought process and a procedure?

 

[coollino]

Do you genuinely think it is that simple a thought process and a procedure?

they should just have a quick look on google before crossing? Or go into the office and print off the forms.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Bruce, I have no problem with people wanting to come to the U.K. to work and live. But they are not refugees. They were when they arrived in the EU, but now they are undocumented people in the EU. They should register in the EU and then apply to come to the U.K. without risking their lives and enriching people smugglers....

You can't be serious, this is just folly, we can't be asking other countries to process people wishing to come here! Brexit mantra was and means taking back control. This means on our border. If we want to pay other entities and countries to service our borders then fair enough, however, it's going to be expensive, I'm sure it will be on a side of a bus!

 

[orchard]

Bruce, I have no problem with people wanting to come to the U.K. to work and live. But they are not refugees. They were when they arrived in the EU, but now they are undocumented people in the EU. They should register in the EU and then apply to come to the U.K. without risking their lives and enriching people smugglers....

Likes dem slaves did?

 

[bluejim95]

Bruce, I have no problem with people wanting to come to the U.K. to work and live. But they are not refugees. They were when they arrived in the EU, but now they are undocumented people in the EU. They should register in the EU and then apply to come to the U.K. without risking their lives and enriching people smugglers....

By leaving the EU, we have less control over the situation. Any chance we had to fight that argument has long gone. Plus, isn't most of the issue with the EU around people coming to live and work?

 

[random]

Bruce, I have no problem with people wanting to come to the U.K. to work and live.

Surely you would expand on that to include escaping from a dictatorial regime/persecution ?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Surely you would expand on that to include escaping from a dictatorial regime/persecution ?

I believe the UK has a huge moral and legal responsibilities for many refugees seeking refuge here. We are often at the forefront of milatray operations, and arms selling. And it's not if they all want to come to the UK it's just a lie peddled by racsist. Many countries take far more people than we do. Like Greece a country recently on edge bankruptcy is stepping up to be counted in helping these people!

 

[Paris]

I've just had my first real taste of how the Schengen Area works.

It's incredible and saves so much of the usual hassle.

Remind me, why are we leaving this club again?

 

[dead_soft]

I've just had my first real taste of how the Schengen Area works.

It's incredible and saves so much of the usual hassle.

Remind me, why are we leaving this club again?

because a bizarre number of people hate poor foreigners and love rich Brits

 

[roydo]

I've just had my first real taste of how the Schengen Area works.

It's incredible and saves so much of the usual hassle.

Remind me, why are we leaving this club again?

Take back control, unelected bellends, scared of brown people, easiest trade deal ever.

Sommet like that.