Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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I’ve done lots of work with Siemens in the past both in the U.K. and Germany. I have a lot of respect for them as a company and it’s employees as people. However, there remains an arrogance and an underlying belief that ‘they are in charge’ even when they weren’t. It’s quite strange working with their senior people, far more difficult than with any other Europeans, Americans (North and South) or even Japanese and Chinese. I even did a mixed programme for our Directors and Directors from Siemens based around cultural awareness and endless drinking and socialising, but the arrogance was always there.....
Satire at it's finest Pete.

Well done Grasshopper ;)
 
The craziest thing about this “the Germans want to dominate Europe” theory of theirs is that, based on pre-WW1 and WW2 British government policy, us leaving European affairs to the Europeans is one of the main things required for Germany to dominate Europe.

Or does anyone think us leaving is going to result in Germany having less influence in the EU? Or that an EU Army won’t now be formed because we’ve left?

So what you are saying is that whenever the U.K. have Europe at arms length, we are encouraging Germany to dominate it, and similarly with the EU, so therefore we must stay in it......gotcha....
 
No hang on - Neil said "remaining is more likely". That is not a fact in anyway shape or form. What is a fact is the legal default, and it is still No Deal, regardless of the Benn Act. And I've been compared to @Joey66 for pointing it out :Blink:

But now I'm falling out with people I've been sound with on the forum for several years so I'm going to coward out of the thread at this stage.

man up and fight your corner.....
 
And that's the crux of this. For the time, money and effort that has been poured into getting to just this point , we'd have been better to have just tried to affect real change from within.

We spent an awful lots of years trying to do that, didn’t work. When Cameron went on his bended knees asking for just a few crumbs he was sent away with his tail between his legs. That single act from the EU probably gave Leave the majority it achieved.......and the U.K. has hardly been lovebombed ever since has it.....
 
What an absolute mess this is, what have we done?

We voted to Leave, the Remainers insisted we didn’t know what we voted for, then insulted every Leave voter with an ever growing range of insults. Then the remainer mob in the Commons decided to sabotage the negotiations and put every single block in the way of getting a sensible deal in conjunction with the EU, culminating in the most self defeating surrender act ever dreamt up.......
 
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