Current Affairs EU In or Out

[abelard]

Corbyn needs people who voted Tory last time.

Not sure about that. Labour enjoyed a huge surge in 2017. If the election lasted a week longer, they'd likely have eked out a narrow win. In almost any other year, they won enough for a commanding majority.

They lost because the Tories enjoyed an even larger surge, almost entirely because of Brexit.

Labour will not do as well in absolute terms, but it's hard to see how the Tories avoid performing even worse; May and especially Johnson will cost them dearly in Scotland and among Remainers/people who enjoy a face of the rule of law.

And if there is to be a Brexit deal, it negates most of the reason why anyone in Mansfield or Middlesborough would vote Tory, much less an ubertoff like Johnson. But these are precisely the type of seats on which Cummings has bet the house: https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...son-thinks-next-election-will-be-won-and-lost

People may not like Corbyn, but they actually very much like his policies. They also like the NHS, and police officers, and schools that aren't collapsing in front of their eyes.

It is easy to fall into the trap of seeing politics through the eyes of people who spent way too much time thinking about it (guilty, obvs). But the true measure is not what the Current Affairs section of a football forum is thinks, but what the main section thinks.

For instance, when Labour floated the idea of a state-run generic pharmaceutical firm, the usual suspects on here (who'd obviously never previously given the proposal a moment's thought) reeled off their familiar Telegraph talking points, with some emotional gibberish about Stalin thrown in for good measure.

But it is actually a perfectly sound policy, backed by most economists, and more importantly, enormously popular with the public as well: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2019/10/why-would-government-make-its-own-drugs

When the media is forced to cover Labour's actual policies rather than its own reaction to them, Labour's support will once again improve.

 

[abelard]

I think the best we can hope for is a Labour/SNP coalition.

This might well be true, and we probably have Blair more than anyone to thank for that (though predictably people assume that it's Corbyn's fault, despite him performing much better there than Miliband did).

 

[davek]

Updates:

Tusk stating there's been no details from the British side about a workable plan; Barnier stating that the meeting with Barclay was "constructive" on the level of ideas.


This is just a huge pantomime. No deal the hot favourite outcome still IMO.

 

[Khalekan]

Updates:

Tusk stating there's been no details from the British side about a workable plan; Barnier stating that the meeting with Barclay was "constructive" on the level of ideas.


This is just a huge pantomime. No deal the hot favourite outcome still IMO.

Indeed.

 

[Blues Harp]

Your right if Brexit is delivered, I will stay at home job done......can't vote for Corbyn sorry but just can't voted for Millaband , but cannnot see him ruin the economy.....

How the hell will Corbyn "ruin the economy"? Do tell ......he can't do any worse than the austerity nightmare inflicted by the current swivel eyed loons in charge.

 

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[Methuselah]

Utter hypocritical tosh, Brexiteers were applauding May not so long ago when she would not discuss her plan making. As for the EU, we elect MEPs, im sure they would inform and EU have sites where you can look at policy, true they dont spoon feed people information.

The MEP's are in the EU Parliament, they have no power and little influence. All the power is with the unelected Commission. By the way, I don't understand your first paragraph?

 

[The binman chronicles]

This is just a huge pantomime. No deal the hot favourite outcome still IMO.

Extension you mean.

Johnson may be able to say he got a deal and it was rejected by the house, but if NI was to get a special deal to basically keep it in the EU the Scots would be leaving the UK fairly soon afterwards. Madness.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Was always going to be the case

Yes it's becoming more and more obvious that this is not a means to exercise more control over Sovereignty, it's always been about lining the pockets of those that want to profit from the consequences.

 

[Methuselah]

Closed doors? Oh those phantom unelected burocrats in your mind again.
Don't be daft. What do you think is the function of the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers

The function of the EU Parliament is to spout hot-air (in the 30 seconds they are allowed) which no one listens to. The Parliament is a sop to democracy, it has no real power. The unelected Commission is where the power lies.

 

[davek]

Extension you mean.

Johnson may be able to say he got a deal and it was rejected by the house, but if NI was to get a special deal to basically keep it in the EU the Scots would be leaving the UK fairly soon afterwards. Madness.

I suppose another possible scenario would be for a deal to require more time to be negotiated beyond October, at which point no deal is off the table for a period when an election gets done.

 

[abelard]

I will say, many of the people I encounter professionally who best understand how the EU actually works have been Leavers (though that's obviously pretty difficult to sustain at this point).

But Remainers can be every bit as embarrassingly clueless as the gentleman in Harrogate doing the rounds recently.

The idea that the EU is committed to transparency because it publishes a lot of reports is...

 

[Jebus_lives]

The function of the EU Parliament is to spout hot-air (in the 30 seconds they are allowed) which no one listens to. The Parliament is a sop to democracy, it has no real power. The unelected Commission is where the power lies.

A little bed time reading perhaps:

Political leadership

The role of the 28 Commissioners, how they are appointed, and their different policy priorities.

ec.europa.eu

 

[davek]

How the hell will Corbyn "ruin the economy"? Do tell ......he can't do any worse than the austerity nightmare inflicted by the current swivel eyed loons in charge.

It's unreal. People are standing in the rubble of where a country used to be and are "concerned" what Corbyn will do to them.

Spoon-fed by the Daily Mail. That's all it can be down to.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Some good Remain promotional videos here.