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[tsubaki]

Lots of chatter about the opposition finally coming to its senses and backing a vote of no-confidence to secure the extension (which of course can only mean Corbyn as a nominal interim PM).

From: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit-no-confidence-vote-snp

'Following talks between opposition party leaders at Westminster, Stewart Hosie said the move appeared to be the only way of ensuring Johnson did not push through a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.

“We have to do that because there is now no confidence that the prime minister will obey the law and seek the extension that parliament voted for only a few weeks ago,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“If we are serious about the extension, that is the only game in town.”

Hosie, a former SNP deputy leader, said the aim was to stop a no-deal Brexit, and that all opposition parties and Tory rebels needed to be united.

The SNP MP urged the Liberal Democrat leader, Jo Swinson, to get behind the move, which could lead to Jeremy Corbyn being installed in No 10. Swinson has previously said she would not put Corbyn in Downing Street, even for short period.

“If another name came forward that was acceptable to everybody – a Ken Clarke or Dominic Grieve-type figure – then self-evidently that would be a good thing to do,” Hosie said. "But it is also self-evidently the case that the second-largest party [Labour] should have the first chance to form that administration."

“If Jo Swinson and the Lib Dems are actually serious about stopping Brexit then they need to stop playing political games [and] get on board with everybody else.”'

Time for the adults among the Lib Dems to announce that playtime is over (...though if the Revoke Article 50 charade is anything to go by, there may not be many adults left).

Still, surely even Swinson must recognise that a position of 'We are the Party that would do anything to stop Brexit *except obey constitutional procedure on a no-confidence vote*' is not sustainable.

Sad that so many of them can't see that they're just the opposing wing of the Eurosceptic loons ; )

Finally, though this idea of "take no deal off the table and then have an election" is daft. If they can establish a new government, sort Brexit out (via a new deal vs remain referendum) first, then call an election.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Considering they posted the original article on this about 2 weeks ago its sad to see that its only getting attention now because his own sister has repeated it.

This should be the slogan on the front of a bus

 

[The binman chronicles]

Considering they posted the original article on this about 2 weeks ago its sad to see that its only getting attention now because his own sister has repeated it.

This should be the slogan on the front of a bus

Boris has refused to comment.

 

[summerisle]

Rabid nonsense time :

Meanwhile, in the real world, nothing to see here :

 

[abelard]

Finally, though this idea of "take no deal off the table and then have an election" is daft. If they can establish a new government, sort Brexit out (via a new deal vs remain referendum) first, then call an election.

That would make much more sense, but it would require a much saner opposition. I doubt the current lot could even draft a second referendum before an extension ends, never mind carry it out.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats are still pretending that a government nominally led by Corbyn, with his hands completely tied on anything other than Brexit, would be worse than this: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...son-invoke-civil-emergency-powers-brexit-deal

Boris Johnson is whipping up fears of rioting and deaths on the streets if Brexit is not delivered by 31 October so that he can try to invoke emergency powers and avoid extending the UK’s EU membership beyond that date, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, claimed on Saturday.

After a week in which the prime minister was accused by MPs from all the main parties, including senior Tories, of inciting violence by accusing Remainers of Brexit “surrender” and “betrayal”, Starmer said it was part of an orchestrated plan to stoke a sense of outrage among Leave voters and create civil unrest, so an extension might be avoided.

Increasingly MPs across the House of Commons believe Downing Street is considering using the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, which grants special powers in the event of a national emergency, as a way to override the so-called Benn act, which mandates the prime minister to seek a delay to Brexit if no deal has been struck with Brussels by 19 October.

Fanatical Brexit purity is the only offer they've come up with in four years of asking, and they know it. And the minute this gets sorted, they'll sink back in the polls to where they belong.

At this point, the Remain identitarians are every bit as swivel-eyed as the worst Leavers, in that (exactly like the ERG voting down the May deal) they reject the basic and blindingly obvious steps that would immediately secure what they say they want. Purity in defeat over compromise in victory.

 

[tsubaki]

That would make much more sense, but it would require a much saner opposition. I doubt the current lot could even draft a second referendum before an extension ends, never mind carry it out.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats are still pretending that a government nominally led by Corbyn, with his hands completely tied on anything other than Brexit, would be worse than this: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...son-invoke-civil-emergency-powers-brexit-deal

Boris Johnson is whipping up fears of rioting and deaths on the streets if Brexit is not delivered by 31 October so that he can try to invoke emergency powers and avoid extending the UK’s EU membership beyond that date, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, claimed on Saturday.

After a week in which the prime minister was accused by MPs from all the main parties, including senior Tories, of inciting violence by accusing Remainers of Brexit “surrender” and “betrayal”, Starmer said it was part of an orchestrated plan to stoke a sense of outrage among Leave voters and create civil unrest, so an extension might be avoided.

Increasingly MPs across the House of Commons believe Downing Street is considering using the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, which grants special powers in the event of a national emergency, as a way to override the so-called Benn act, which mandates the prime minister to seek a delay to Brexit if no deal has been struck with Brussels by 19 October.

Fanatical Brexit purity is the only offer they've come up with in four years of asking, and they know it. And the minute this gets sorted, they'll sink back in the polls to where they belong.

At this point, the Remain identitarians are every bit as swivel-eyed as the worst Leavers, in that (exactly like the ERG voting down the May deal) they reject the basic and blindingly obvious steps that would immediately secure what they say they want. Purity in defeat over compromise in victory.

Indeed, though the Lib Dems have to be put into the position where they are offered everything they've called for in the past three years and then reject it - which should prove to a lot of the people thinking about voting for them what they are.

 

[tsubaki]

Rabid nonsense time :

Meanwhile, in the real world, nothing to see here :

It is worth pointing out that the MoS website - which obviously goes to a different audience - has the affair story way ahead of the Traitors one.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Meanwhile:

They are not well prepared. They have told you they are, but they are not. Meanwhile the U.K. is prepared for no deal, even though we are told we are not.........

The government is better prepared than you may think. Industry and the banks are well prepared.....

But that’s the point isn’t it. People have done the work, we will be prepared and businesses will be ready.....

 

[Methuselah]

You have completely missed the point I made by a mile. Which is exactly what I said "you", as in the collective, would do. I dont live in London, never have, and am certainly not in any way elite.

But to answer your question why Parliament are trying to prevent a No Deal brexit; its because its borderline insane for the elected HOC to visit such a nightmare on the country they have a duty to serve.

Dominic Cummings eh? Thoughts on him driving this?

Sorry for the delay, busy few days, have had visitors. Parliament are not trying to prevent a No Deal Brexit, they are trying to prevent Brexit, but haven't the guts to be honest about it.

 

[roydo]

Sorry for the delay, busy few days, have had visitors. Parliament are not trying to prevent a No Deal Brexit, they are trying to prevent Brexit, but haven't the guts to be honest about it.

You may well be right, which would be pretty stupid of them, imo. The short term issue of more importance is to avoid a No Deal at the end of the month. Do that, then have a collective lie down and get real.

 

[orchard]

Sorry for the delay, busy few days, have had visitors. Parliament are not trying to prevent a No Deal Brexit, they are trying to prevent Brexit, but haven't the guts to be honest about it.

Worth the wait. Cheers mate.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Sorry for the delay, busy few days, have had visitors. Parliament are not trying to prevent a No Deal Brexit, they are trying to prevent Brexit, but haven't the guts to be honest about it.

Yes they are, because at the moment the only brexit available is a no deal.

When has Boris presented another proposal for them to evaluate? Have I missed that?........ Thought not.

I dont remember there being a 'hard brexit' option in the referendum either.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Sorry for the delay, busy few days, have had visitors. Parliament are not trying to prevent a No Deal Brexit, they are trying to prevent Brexit, but haven't the guts to be honest about it.

That’s your subjective opinion and not fact. The facts are that all they have stopped is a no deal outcome, and rightly so, as it’s completely unnecessary, extremely damaging and has absolutely no mandate whatsoever.

 

[Methuselah]

That’s your subjective opinion and not fact. The facts are that all they have stopped is a no deal outcome, and rightly so, as it’s completely unnecessary, extremely damaging and has absolutely no mandate whatsoever.

That’s your subjective opinion and not fact. The facts are that all they have stopped is a no deal outcome, and rightly so, as it’s completely unnecessary, extremely damaging and has absolutely no mandate whatsoever.

That’s your subjective opinion and not fact. The facts are that all they have stopped is a no deal outcome, and rightly so, as it’s completely unnecessary, extremely damaging and has absolutely no mandate whatsoever.

Why did Parliament vote against May's deal THREE times? They will also vote against any deal Johnson comes up with (my opinion). They don't want ANY deal they want to remain.

 

[Methuselah]

Yes they are, because at the moment the only brexit available is a no deal.

When has Boris presented another proposal for them to evaluate? Have I missed that?........ Thought not.

I dont remember there being a 'hard brexit' option in the referendum either.

The referendum option was LEAVE.