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[Jebus_lives]

Money for the NHS: is it new or not? – Full Fact

It all depends on what you mean by new. But the £1 billion was money that had already been promised to hospitals but which they were unable to spend previously.

fullfact.org

For the simple minded.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

You might have wasted yours. I was actually working. I had a lovely flight to India and back.

so

There will be the usual jockeying for position in the aviation sector between various political establishments using the professional organisations as bargaining chips but I can't see any major issues. UK CAA should recognise all Non UK EASA licence holders currently employed in UK and I have licences from Ireland, Singapore and UAE so I will be fine too - not that I need another licence as I am not far off retirement.

I am nor saying there won't be a few bumps in the road (or air pockets in the sky) but those that are predicting total breakdown of services really need to give their heads a wobble.

Hi Richard, its plain to see that you have no actual real interest with the UK and whether we leave or stay in the EU.

You've selected a political position and decided to debate that position as a means to pass the time on your long haul flights.

posters on here need to wise up to your approach and stick you on igonre.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Not quite.

I would like to see one rule for immigration applied globally and for UK not to be forced into admitting non UK citizens just because they have an EU passport. I am not against immigration and I am very pro Europe, but I am very anti EU.

Cooperation doesn't have to stop between countries just because one is a member of EU and one isn't. We already have cooperation within NATO, UN etc. The world doesn't stop at the EU external borders and I think that is the message that needs to be put across better by Leavers.

We are not (with a few sad exceptions) racist, xenophobic, isolationist, or empire builders. We value cooperation in areas of mutual interest - we just like to maintain (or recover in the case of brexit) our independence while we do it.

In my particular case, I am a Brit, with an Irish licence, Irish ancestry (county Cork) a Malaysian wife and daughter and I converted to Islam purely to marry the woman I love. I lived 9 years in Brunei, 8 years in Singapore and 7 years (and counting) in Dubai so I really don't think I would have survived those years if I was any of the things that most remainers seem to think we are.

As the saying goes, it's good to talk, but there are some idiots on both sides of the debate that just seem to want to fight rather than have a polite intelligent debate.

Sad, but not surprising in today's world.

Can someone ask him why it's fine for him to live in another country but not those he wants to stop coming to the UK?

He's got me on ignore because I asked him a question he couldn't answer.

 

[peteblue]

Who knows, I write software for the fleet car sector and my American company have offices all over Europe. I guess they will be evaluating the ramifications as and when it happens. Anyone whose job crosses borders I'd imagine would be open to be reviewed.

As for house prices, yes the house I may want to buy will come down too but if I lose my deposit due to negative equity then that avenue closes.

Any software engineer can walk into another job. I would suggest that house prices will remain pretty stable. The only real hit took place during a worldwide recession and even then it could be argued that they had been overinflated.....

 

[roydo]

Don't know how to put this - its not the EU's money. They earn no income other than the taxes they get. We are net contributors, the EU return some of our money to us. It is not the EU contributing to fishing, its US.

Dont know how to put this to you. But I know.

How much money has the UK Government (our money) put into fishing and Liverpool ove the last 40 years, versus the EU? (Our money)

 

[RichardP]

so
Hi Richard, its plain to see that you have no actual real interest with the UK and whether we leave or stay in the EU.

You've selected a political position and decided to debate that position as a means to pass the time on your long haul flights.

posters on here need to wise up to your approach and stick you on igonre.

You could not be more wrong.

I have friends and family back in UK, still have a UK passport and reserve the right to come back to UK whenever I may wish to. I therefore have a great, vested interest in UK.

One interesting point that was made to me recently was that my opinion on UK may actually be more accurate in certain areas than the people who live there permanently as they tend not to notice the perpetual but gradual decline the EU is forcing on UK, whereas I come back once a year or so and see the changes more starkly.

So, I have a great interest in our leaving EU and will be extremely happy when we finally extract ourselves from this pernicious organisation and are making our own way in the world.

So, in summary, you are exactly wrong!

 

[peteblue]

We haven't left yet. But I fully expect after the initial nose dive, we will right the plane and you will herald it a victory and evidence that people were wrong.

Similarly, those that will say 'see there was nothing to be worried about' with regards to things like medicines will be completely ignorant of the 18 months worth of work that people like me have done to make sure you don't have an issue.

But that’s the point isn’t it. People have done the work, we will be prepared and businesses will be ready.....

 

[roydo]

Not quite.

I would like to see one rule for immigration applied globally and for UK not to be forced into admitting non UK citizens just because they have an EU passport. I am not against immigration and I am very pro Europe, but I am very anti EU.

Cooperation doesn't have to stop between countries just because one is a member of EU and one isn't. We already have cooperation within NATO, UN etc. The world doesn't stop at the EU external borders and I think that is the message that needs to be put across better by Leavers.

We are not (with a few sad exceptions) racist, xenophobic, isolationist, or empire builders. We value cooperation in areas of mutual interest - we just like to maintain (or recover in the case of brexit) our independence while we do it.

In my particular case, I am a Brit, with an Irish licence, Irish ancestry (county Cork) a Malaysian wife and daughter and I converted to Islam purely to marry the woman I love. I lived 9 years in Brunei, 8 years in Singapore and 7 years (and counting) in Dubai so I really don't think I would have survived those years if I was any of the things that most remainers seem to think we are.

As the saying goes, it's good to talk, but there are some idiots on both sides of the debate that just seem to want to fight rather than have a polite intelligent debate.

Sad, but not surprising in today's world.

You have changed your tone completely in the last half hour. Which is sound. I too enjoy a considered debate, with respect and humour.

Long may it continue.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

We are not (with a few sad exceptions) racist, xenophobic, isolationist, or empire builders.

Think you might need to take a trip home sometime to catch up on things.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Not at all. I care very much about homeless UK citizens having to sleep rough while immigrants get looked after immediately.

Xenophobic? No, Patriotic, yes!

Its fair to say no one should be homeless in the UK by choice. Given our lofty status in the economic prosperity table, however, homelessness in the UK is a very complex issue. There tend to be other factors such as mental health or addiction, and times just distrust of any support...

Indeed the highest proportion of homeless people are male and who have been in the forces... I believe its much more to do with what these people experience while in the forces and the readjusting afterwards, this patriotism you type about should start long before these people leave the forces and become homeless.

 

[Jebus_lives]

But that’s the point isn’t it. People have done the work, we will be prepared and businesses will be ready.....

Yes but it's come at great cost to time and expenses and we haven't even left yet. It's like saying 'I've cut my own foot off but it's ok as I bought some gauze and painkillers to prepare for it'

I'd also point out that much of what we are being asked to prepare for is completely unknown or 'being sorted by the government' but at each meeting I attend, someone brings up a fairly fundamental thing that should have been accounted for already but hasn't.

 

[RichardP]

You have changed your tone completely in the last half hour. Which is sound. I too enjoy a considered debate, with respect and humour.

Long may it continue.

I can give as good as I get.

As the saying goes, 'My attitude is determined by your behaviour'

If someone bites, I bite back but I much prefer a polite intelligent discussion. Unfortunately, there are a few (Remainers) on this thread that delight in trying to stimulate argument rather than debate. Now that I have them sorted and got them on ignore it is a lot easier to have a sensible discussion with everyone else.

 

[Methuselah]

Dont know how to put this to you. But I know.

How much money has the UK Government (our money) put into fishing and Liverpool ove the last 40 years, versus the EU? (Our money)

Well lets look at how well the EU investment has done. Fish landed by UK fishing has reduced by almost 50%. The number of fishermen has almost halved since the mid 1990's. All thanks to the EU Common Fisheries Policy which allows other EU countries to take more fish out of British waters than we do. Some investment that.

 

[RichardP]

Its fair to say no one should be homeless in the UK by choice. Given our lofty status in the economic prosperity table, however, homelessness in the UK is a very complex issue. There tend to be other factors such as mental health or addiction, and times just distrust of any support...

Indeed the highest proportion of homeless people are male and who have been in the forces... I believe its much more to do with the after effects of what they experience while in the forces and the readjusting afterwards, this patriotism you type about should start long before these people leave the forces...

I like the quote from the US Congressman (can't remember the name) who basically said that if we can spend $billions on sending young men and women to war we should be able to spend similar amounts on looking after them when they come home.

The other quote I like comes from a rather strange source - specifically, Only Fools and Horses sit com.

Grandad, sat in the bomb shelter that Del boy had built on the roof of their condo was talking about soldiers returning from the war,

'When we came back they promised us homes fit for heroes. What we got was heroes fit for homes!'

Never forgotten that.

 

[RichardP]

No, it hasn't, nor were you at the Souk. You were trying on your new school trousers at Asda.
At least from next week your Mum will make sure you're doing your homework rather than posting from 1955 on her computer.

And that's you on ignore too.