Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Chuckling to myself after reading an article in the Independent by Reidy. Since when did Peter articulate with words like ‘align’ and ‘lofty economics’?

Great servant to the club but another Champagne Socialist speaking on behalf of ‘de peeple’.
 
the libs will break it Mark my word opportunistic to the core that lot, how anybody can believe them on anything after last time jumping into bed with the Tories i don't know.
Plus Swindon will get under people's skin the more they see if her , she will not back Corbyn when it comes to it.
She'll be prepared to work with Labour but not Corbyn....but that's after an election.

I said this week that I thought there's maybe a combned maximum 40 odd % of the electorate who will want a hard brexit; which means there's way over half who dont want that. The two opinion polls last night underline that (to others show less of a lead for the Tories and even a small LP lead). There's a majority in the country for those opposing no deal for sure. It takes discipline though...but then again, that's also the case for the Tory/Brexit Party potential pact.
 
She'll be prepared to work with Labour but not Corbyn....but that's after an election.

I said this week that I thought there's maybe a combned maximum 40 odd % of the electorate who will want a hard brexit; which means there's way over half who dont want that. The two opinion polls last night underline that (to others show less of a lead for the Tories and even a small LP lead). There's a majority in the country for those opposing no deal for sure. It takes discipline though...but then again, that's also the case for the Tory/Brexit Party potential pact.
Wasn't recent polling @C25pc?
 
So, listening to McDonnell on Marr's show just now re the LP position, it's a restatement of what Thornberry said on Question Time: go back and negotiate a deal with the EU (based on a better outcome for workers), then offer that with another choice of Remain in a 2nd referendum.

That's way too woolly and indecisive, and it doesn't reflect the LP membership or bulk of the PLP viewpoint. It wont stand a LP conference.

I understand Corbyn and McDonnell not wishing to reverse completeley the result of the 1st referendum, but that time has come and gone. There needs to be a binary choice between a firm Leave (which we almost have with Johnson and the Tories) and a firm Remain. This is not the time for advancing a position that requires a pivot attached to it. The political culture is way too unsophisticated and raw for that now. Anything short of a vigorous campaign on Remain for Labour will allow Johnson a clear path back into No.10.
 
25% for which party?
The last genuine poll (eg not 'no-deal' or 'let Corbyn have his way with your daughter') i saw (just over a week ago iirc) had no-deal at between 22-25pc. Maybe it can become larger with more propaganda, but with things like bnp/bxp wanting to abolish IHT coming out today, maybe a few will wake up too mate.
 
The last genuine poll (eg not 'no-deal' or 'let Corbyn have his way with your daughter') i saw (just over a week ago iirc) had no-deal at between 22-25pc. Maybe it can become larger with more propaganda, but with things like bnp/bxp wanting to abolish IHT coming out today, maybe a few will wake up too mate.
These polls are weaponised. IMO the YouGov polls are completely worthless. They have a methodology which places a handicap on counting Labour Party respondents...something I believe they adopted when they massively over-estimated Labour's vote under Miliband.

I think it's fair to say that, counterintuitively, the "bad" week for Johnson played well for him. There's an anti-hero, outlaw thing he's selling to an electorate sick to the back teeth of delay on Brexit (which is why the LP position needs sharpening up).

IMO, though, once the election campaign broadens out and discusses other issues, Johnson and his team will be seen to be no friends of the bulk of this country and they'll be reeled in. Five weeks campaigning will expose these charlatans.
 
If Corbyn is so eager for power (As everyone else seems to claim), surely he would just come out and state that Labour will run on a Remain campaign
It'd be the populist thing to do

Or maybe he actually has personal principles, which in a way you have to admire when you look at what the Tories are doing
 
These polls are weaponised. IMO the YouGov polls are completely worthless. They have a methodology which places a handicap on counting Labour Party respondents...something I believe they adopted when they massively over-estimated Labour's vote under Miliband.

I think it's fair to say that, counterintuitively, the "bad" week for Johnson played well for him. There's an anti-hero, outlaw thing he's selling to an electorate sick to the back teeth of delay on Brexit (which is why the LP position needs sharpening up).

IMO, though, once the election campaign broadens out and discusses other issues, Johnson and his team will be seen to be no friends of the bulk of this country and they'll be reeled in. Five weeks campaigning will expose these charlatans.

I’ve thought for a while now that the key to beating them is to ensure there is no pact between to tories and the Brexit party, therefore splitting the Brexit vote and exposing a small window of victory. Basically exactly what happened in the recent by-election. I thought the most likely reason for this to happen was to actually have an election pre October 31st, so Johnson was still campaigning on getting a deal. Farage’s lot would then be a full no deal option for the head bangers.

Looks like this won’t be happening now, so I would imagine that after October 17th and Johnson doesn’t get a deal through, the tories will pivot to a full no deal option. I would guess this is why the likes of Javid is on Marr this morning still talking up their deal (this way when they don’t get a deal they like, they can blame the EU intransigence ect)

This then leads to an election in November in which the tories are in some way working with Farage v everyone else. What it could then essentially come down to is what do the one nation, moderate tories in the shires find more unpalatable Corbyn or a no deal Brexit with Farage playing a key role.

I have no idea on this. Logic says they will think no-deal is way, way worse as Corbyn can simply be voted out in four years but people may not be so logical. They hate Farage, they will hate what Brexit has done to their party but will be terrified of Corbyn.

This is why I think it may actually be helpful for Swinson to continue with her enmity toward Corbyn. If the Lib Dem’s can try and make it out that a vote for them is a vote to remain, but not for Corbyn (even though it effectively would be) then they could clear up in the south west and south east.

Combine that with tories losing every seat in Scotland and labour cleaning up in metropolitan areas, it may just be enough.

I guess my key point is that although the polls show that a combined vote of the tories and Brexit party wins, they are not showing what happens to that Tory vote once they officially join forces.
 
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