Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Khalekan]

So, listening to McDonnell on Marr's show just now re the LP position, it's a restatement of what Thornberry said on Question Time: go back and negotiate a deal with the EU (based on a better outcome for workers), then offer that with another choice of Remain in a 2nd referendum.

That's way too woolly and indecisive, and it doesn't reflect the LP membership or bulk of the PLP viewpoint. It wont stand a LP conference.

I understand Corbyn and McDonnell not wishing to reverse completeley the result of the 1st referendum, but that time has come and gone. There needs to be a binary choice between a firm Leave (which we almost have with Johnson and the Tories) and a firm Remain. This is not the time for advancing a position that requires a pivot attached to it. The political culture is way too unsophisticated and raw for that now. Anything short of a vigorous campaign on Remain for Labour will allow Johnson a clear path back into No.10.

I think Thornberry’s point the other night was excellent.....it was drowned out by the guffaws of that loudmouth Tory and the odious barrow boy, Tice.

The fact is there is no better deal available than the one we already enjoy.......i.e. full EU membership.

None whatsoever.

That cannot be improved upon.

So by definition, if Labour is tasked with brokering a deal it will be inferior to our current one.

I would imagine that would be very much the majority opinion among both the PLP and party members.

But as we need to try and put this madness to bed there will be a need to put it to the people in Referendum.

The choice would then be between a clearly defined Labour version of the Brexit deal or Remain.

With a Labour government campaigning against the deal it brokered.

That is what Thirnberry was saying and it made perfect sense to me

 

[The binman chronicles]

What is Labours stance on Brexit?
Oh breaking news France will not sanction another Brexit extension.........a hollow victory for the remainers in the HOC this week!

I would implore you to think of your socialist roots here, the right wing Government is not only going for a no deal which would be damaging to the working class but they are happy to do so in a scorched earth way.

Do you think the EU will want to negotiate after a no deal Brexit with people who are not only disingenuous but are outright liars? They're the worst of the worst and I can't see how anyone can back it.

 

[spectateur]

What is Labours stance on Brexit?
Oh breaking news France will not sanction another Brexit extension.........a hollow victory for the remainers in the HOC this week!

Hardly breaking news mon ami. Macron said a few days ago that he would be disinclined to vote for an extension. Due to lack of will and lack of trust. However he will not vote on personal whim it would be a ministerial decision.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What is Labours stance on Brexit?
Oh breaking news France will not sanction another Brexit extension.........a hollow victory for the remainers in the HOC this week!

What is it about scrutiny of your views that makes you so uncomfortable Joe? Every time anyone asks you why you, a supposedly lifelong socialist, parrot everything this ghastly Tory administration say, you deflect as though your life depended on it.

 

[Kev The Rat]

So, listening to McDonnell on Marr's show just now re the LP position, it's a restatement of what Thornberry said on Question Time: go back and negotiate a deal with the EU (based on a better outcome for workers), then offer that with another choice of Remain in a 2nd referendum.

That's way too woolly and indecisive, and it doesn't reflect the LP membership or bulk of the PLP viewpoint. It wont stand a LP conference.

I understand Corbyn and McDonnell not wishing to reverse completeley the result of the 1st referendum, but that time has come and gone. There needs to be a binary choice between a firm Leave (which we almost have with Johnson and the Tories) and a firm Remain. This is not the time for advancing a position that requires a pivot attached to it. The political culture is way too unsophisticated and raw for that now. Anything short of a vigorous campaign on Remain for Labour will allow Johnson a clear path back into No.10.

how can Labour in any conscience allow hard leave on the ballot paper when they have done everything they can to prevent it on grounds of national interest.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Hardly breaking news mon ami. Macron said a few days ago that he would be disinclined to vote for an extension. Due to lack of will and lack of trust. However he will not vote on personal whim it would be a ministerial decision.

Indeed, note Rudd's comment about how little time the government are putting into actually negotiating with the EU. They literally couldn't care less. Given the poor standing of the Tories in the eyes of Tusk et al before, you can only imagine what our reputation is with them now this clown is in power.

 

[Joey66]

What is it about scrutiny of your views that makes you so uncomfortable Joe? Every time anyone asks you why you, a supposedly lifelong socialist, parrot everything this ghastly Tory administration say, you deflect as though your life depended on it.

NoI would like to know what Labours Brexit plans are as on QT they were laughed at......?
The LiB Dems have a clear understanding on their plan - I accept that but not if we have a 2nd referendum and Brexit still is voted for - Democracy is dying Bruce...

 

[Joey66]

Hardly breaking news mon ami. Macron said a few days ago that he would be disinclined to vote for an extension. Due to lack of will and lack of trust. However he will not vote on personal whim it would be a ministerial decision.

The French government have declared to day under the present circumstances theybwill vote against any extension on Brexit .........

 

[JimmyJeffers]

What is it about scrutiny of your views that makes you so uncomfortable Joe? Every time anyone asks you why you, a supposedly lifelong socialist, parrot everything this ghastly Tory administration say, you deflect as though your life depended on it.

He’s on the wind up. Just checked his Facebook page and this is his most recent profile pic.

Tracking his IP address would reveal that he’s outside Westminster right now with a pack lunch of lentils and frogs legs.

 

[Joey66]

I would implore you to think of your socialist roots here, the right wing Government is not only going for a no deal which would be damaging to the working class but they are happy to do so in a scorched earth way.

Do you think the EU will want to negotiate after a no deal Brexit with people who are not only disingenuous but are outright liars? They're the worst of the worst and I can't see how anyone can back it.

That's why a GE is nothing to be scared of....IN YOUR ANALYSIS

 

[Methuselah]

I would implore you to think of your socialist roots here, the right wing Government is not only going for a no deal which would be damaging to the working class but they are happy to do so in a scorched earth way.

Do you think the EU will want to negotiate after a no deal Brexit with people who are not only disingenuous but are outright liars? They're the worst of the worst and I can't see how anyone can back it.

Thanks for giving me a good laugh today (I needed one). Accusing Brexiteers of being outright liars when one of the leading lights of the Remoaners campaign is that beacon of truth TONY BLAIR.

 

[tsubaki]

The French government have declared to day under the present circumstances theybwill vote against any extension on Brexit .........

What the French FM actually said was that given the British government are not offering any new solutions to the Brexit deadlock (which is not what No.10 and the few remaining loyalist ministers have been going around telling everyone), he didn't see the point of an extension.

Obviously though this clear statement that the British government is lying to its own people, followed by one of its own ministers openly saying that there are not any serious negotiations taking place, means that Corbyn is to blame somehow.

 

[The binman chronicles]

That's why a GE is nothing to be scared of....IN YOUR ANALYSIS

I think no side will have an outright majority so an election doesn't change much. Maybe there will be a minority conservative government if they want to cling on to power for a bit longer or a rainbow coalition.

And from what you're saying you make out you are the only Labour voter who backs the Tories just through a blinkered view that you want brexit over anything else. There are of course more out there like you but I have absolutely no idea why.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Thanks for giving me a good laugh today (I needed one). Accusing Brexiteers of being outright liars when one of the leading lights of the Remoaners campaign is that beacon of truth TONY BLAIR.

No fan of Blair personally, but to use him as an excuse for backing the racists and liars that are the most prominent proponents for leaving the Eu is a bit strange.

 

[Joey66]

I think no side will have an outright majority so an election doesn't change much. Maybe there will be a minority conservative government if they want to cling on to power for a bit longer or a rainbow coalition.

And from what you're saying you make out you are the only Labour voter who backs the Tories just through a blinkered view that you want brexit over anything else. There are of course more out there like you but I have absolutely no idea why.

Four million Labour voters voted Brexit not just me no one can predict a GE so it's the only way out of this mess imo.....