Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Barnfred 55]

Any ideas on why the government haven't drawn up a quick cast-iron law which guarantees no change in status for current legal UK residents with non-Brit nationalities?

Such a law would solve a lot of the stress associated with No Deal.

They haven't made a law but they have set up the right to remain scheme which gives non-Brit EU nationals upto December 2020 to register, and have also now made it free of charge. This applies even in the event of no deal provided that person is working here prior to the date we leave. The terms of the scheme are quite concise and there are lots of good articles on it if you google it.

According to Bruce, still over 2m haven't registered yet but as far as I'm concerned that's their own fault as the scheme has been open since April.

 

[davek]

Who knows what will happen. But Farage will know that the only chance of securing a strong Brexit is to get a big majority of leave voting MPs in parliament. He will also know that pitting BP candidates against Tories in their strongholds is effectively splitting the leave vote and will risk losing those seats to SDLP.

I appreciate he is currently bigging up his party's rivalry with the Tories, but if Farage is in any way a pragmatic man, and I have no idea whether or not he is, then he will know that he has more chance of reaching his goal if he works with the Tories rather than against them. Johnson will know that he could well need the BPs support in getting his own Brexit plans through parliament. He will also know that the BP are much more likely than the Tories to be able to steal the Labour vote of the north and midland leave voting labour constituencies. Plus, as you know, Johnson is also perfectly capable of making all sorts of promises to get Farage on board, and then go back on them if it suits his purposes.

I therefore don't understand how you can declare with such confidence that there will be no pact between the 2 parties.

His goal is to be leader of a movement that carries the whole of the centre-right ground before it. In order to do that any shooting of the Brexit fox (settling the issue) has to be avoided. Brexit has to be kept in play for Farage. He knows Johnson cant really go for a "clean break" no deal Brexit. And he knows he has to keep his disatance from the Tories and make himself distinct from them. He cant afford to subsume himself in Tory policy. There's literally no political necessity for him at that point.

IMO, It suits Farage just fine to position himself as facilitator and saviour of the Brexit dream, while all the time planning beyond the election to pick up some serious political power. He sees the destruction of the traditional parties in Europe in places like France and Italy and I'd guess he sees himself as potentially somone like Salvini and his Lega Party. That will be his objective, certainly not to solve Johnson and the Tory's problems.

 

[The binman chronicles]

We need a GE now. For God's sake, this madness can't be allowed to just continue.

Does nothing really, we are still discussing a single issue event and you can't have a GE based on one thing. Let's say I forget about the logic of it all for one second, there is zero guarantees you don't end up in the exact same position as we are now. A minority government or one that requires to be propped up by another party. Chaos continues. Brexit should be put to bed once and for all then the people can decide who they want in government.

 

[davek]

His own brother cannot trust him. How can the electorate?

Kuensberg at the BBC tweeting that one senior Tory has responded by telling her "he's killed him now with that".

Lol.

 

[Kenshin]

Can someone enlighten me here!

A bill is being passed into law to stop a no deal Brexit.

But in the radio they are talking about an election and then leaving without a deal.

How can that be possible? Genuinely confused by it now

 

[Barnfred 55]

I'd hardly call them futile.

It was absolutely futile from the Govts perspective. It was obvious to anybody with any sense of the law that Brexit HAD to be a parliament process, not just a Govt one.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Can someone enlighten me here!

A bill is being passed into law to stop a no deal Brexit.

But in the radio they are talking about an election and then leaving without a deal.

How can that be possible? Genuinely confused by it now

The bill prevents us leaving on the 31st of October 2019 with no deal, it doesn't stop a newly elected government (if they have the majority) to pass a no deal vote and then leave.

 

[Khalekan]

Can someone enlighten me here!

A bill is being passed into law to stop a no deal Brexit.

But in the radio they are talking about an election and then leaving without a deal.

How can that be possible? Genuinely confused by it now

Probably they mean if Johnson got a majority and rushes to repeal the new law.

Or the fact that apparently it is within Johnson’s gift to change the election date even after it had been agreed.

That is why the only sensible thing to do is rule out an election in October.

Early November is plenty soon enough.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You know what Barney, that is the most convincing argument I have ever read in favour of staying in the EU.

The EU.....getting organised and formulating a strategy like responsible adults.

The UK......total chaos, lurching from one crisis to another, like recalcitrant children.

True.

But you need to also factor in that most of those who were negotiating to leave actually wanted to stay.

 

[Hawhaw]

Annunziata rees Mogg really is a class act, I love to see powerful women stand up for what’s right. Kate Hoey is another great woman.

Very positive role models

 

[Jebus_lives]

His own brother cant even stick him now.

Tories split from top to bottom.

"only a socialist could do that to his brother, only a socialist could regard familial ties as being so trivial as to shaft his own brother.”

Continuing:

Miliband is a "discrete agents devoid of ties to society or each other, and that’s how Stalin could murder 20 million people”.

I wonder who said that?

 

[larrygobfiend]

Annunziata rees Mogg really is a class act, I love to see powerful women stand up for what’s right. Kate Hoey is another great woman.

Very positive role models

And Katie Hopkins, no doubt....

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Does nothing really, we are still discussing a single issue event and you can't have a GE based on one thing. Let's say I forget about the logic of it all for one second, there is zero guarantees you don't end up in the exact same position as we are now. A minority government or one that requires to be propped up by another party. Chaos continues. Brexit should be put to bed once and for all then the people can decide who they want in government.

It might not resolve the problem of Brexit but we can't continue with this government in power. Its got no authority at all right now. At least if we had an election it would give whoever ends up as PM more creabilty then the current lot have.

 

[Hawhaw]

And Katie Hopkins, no doubt....

Not a big fan of her, the over the top criticism of Islam is way to much.

 

[Khalekan]

True.

But you need to also factor in that most of those who were negotiating to leave actually wanted to stay.

I don’t know about that.....Brexit fanatic David Davies was the man in charge of negotiations.

So the people doing the negotiations, be they leavers or remainers, were given an impossible task to begin with.