Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

How do you deal with population density, optimal currency area issues, bankruptcy of countries who have working populations who migrate to here?

FYI the main reason I voted to leave is that the Eu isn’t congruent in its decision making (fiscal vs sociopolitical) between countries, plus the enforcement of northern European economic policy on Southern European policy leads to issues and mass migration to the places where said economic policy is in place.

The vast majority of people move because they have something lined up already. It's a peculiar notion that people will travel thousands of miles on the off chance that something good will happen. So if people have a job and somewhere to live, who's business is it but there's and their employers what's going on?

The government very much has to get better at providing funds for government-run services to adapt to changes in population, but this is true even if there were no international migration. Just this week, Sheffield Uni research highlighted the national inequality throughout Britain

and obviously one way around that is to encourage greater mobility of people. For instance, official figures from the ONS say that 42,000 Brits moved to Birmingham in 2014. No one grits their teeth and says how terrible that is, they just get on with it and try and adapt. If 42,000 Poles moved to Birmingham you'd perhaps get a different response.

 

[dwightschrute]

Clocks ticking.
Any MP and/or posters on here named Peter who thinks keeping no deal on the table is a 'negotiation tactic' rather than Johnson's only plan as he is isn't smart enough to come up with a different deal to solve the Irish Border isn't very intelligent

 

[Paul Rideout]

The vast majority of people move because they have something lined up already. It's a peculiar notion that people will travel thousands of miles on the off chance that something good will happen. So if people have a job and somewhere to live, who's business is it but there's and their employers what's going on?

The government very much has to get better at providing funds for government-run services to adapt to changes in population, but this is true even if there were no international migration. Just this week, Sheffield Uni research highlighted the national inequality throughout Britain

and obviously one way around that is to encourage greater mobility of people. For instance, official figures from the ONS say that 42,000 Brits moved to Birmingham in 2014. No one grits their teeth and says how terrible that is, they just get on with it and try and adapt. If 42,000 Poles moved to Birmingham you'd perhaps get a different response.

I grit my teeth for the people who had to move to Birmingham. Poor dears (I jest, but you make an interesting point).

I’d be interested to see stats to back up your ‘vast majority move with a job lined up’. I’d love to know the distribution of the sectors they are moving into. I’d also like to see if they have family, if the family moves with them. And whether they are considered in this figure (amongst a load of other variables).

Also a breakdown of the people who do move here with a job lined up and where they are in terms of wage scale and technicality of jobs, how it effects people’s income on the lower end of the scale (zero hours contracts, min wage etc etc). Also how it restricts tech developments in said areas.

 

[Xizor]

You should be proud of yourself - I’m seldom disgusted by a posters comments.

Love it! Put another tick in the 'gammon flies into faux outrage when their rug is pulled away' box!

Given the values that are shining through in your post... proud? I'm positively cock-a-hoop. I could probably disgust you in many further, progressively liberal, ways if you like.

 

[I Miss Chang]

If the Tories and Lib Dems had implemented what Javid just proposed in 2010, instead of the stupendous idiocy that was austerity at the height of a recession, we'd probably all be £10,000 better off, and Brexit would have been roundly defeated.

Thank god we finally seem to be expelling this monumentally dimwittied ideological disease from our system.

Hang your heads in shame and spend the next 50 years studying remedial macroeconomics, anyone who ever thought that austerity was a good idea.

 

[Paul Rideout]

Love it! Put another tick in the 'gammon flies into faux outrage when their rug is pulled away' box!

Given the values that are shining through in your post... proud? I'm positively cock-a-hoop. I could probably disgust you in many further, progressively liberal, ways if you like.

Explain why I’m a ‘gammon’. Can you also define what a gammon in (properly, without playground throwbacks like ‘you are’). Thanks.

Have you noticed that I’ve not resorted to name calling, because at that point, you’re exposing your inability to debate with validity.

Would you like to tell me what values are shining through in my posts. Try to do it without name calling. Your comparison between Brexit and the plight of North America slaves doesn’t intimate that you are liberal or progressive, but I’d love you to change my mind.

 

[BlueToff]

But they did formulate a plan: the May deal, a perfectly plausible (if economically disastrous) arrangement to Leave the European Union.

And then that same majority which voted out proceeded to vote against Leaving.

How are Leave MPs meant to agree what Leave means if Leave voters themselves can't even agree?

That, too, is what democracy is.

Without a coherent plan, Leave is nothing more than an abstraction.

Eventually, reality always prevails.

What do you mean leave voters?

Leave voters did not get a vote on May's deal?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

They have to keep No deal as an option, because it’s their ONLY option where they don’t have to come up with anything concrete.

just like the ridiculously structured referendum allowed people to paint whatever picture they wanted for what “Leave” would look like, no deal is the only option to keep that fantasy alive.

 

[Paul Rideout]

If the Tories and Lib Dems had implemented what Javid just proposed in 2010, instead of the stupendous idiocy that was austerity at the height of a recession, we'd probably all be £10,000 better off, and Brexit would have been roundly defeated.

Thank god we finally seem to be expelling this monumentally dimwittied ideological disease from our system.

Hang your heads in shame and spend the next 50 years studying remedial macroeconomics, anyone who ever thought that austerity was a good idea.

Oh I studied macroeconomics as part of my MSc Economics... tell me why austerity after a period of unsolicited spending and poor fiscal decisions is a bad idea. Are you a follower of classic models such as Keynesian or more modern models like real business cycle modelling?

You can be technical, or not. I’m ok with either.

 

[edge]

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No line. Open borders.

how would you feed these people, house them , give them health care ect how would you plan or finance it absolute dreamland
Please enlighten me the benefits of this to a poorly educated working class person in say Kirkdale or Walton living on minimum wage living in poor standard rented housing and low scoring schools in the neighborhood, that's quite a big proportion of the population in those areas , not merely a statistic that's there everyday life .
they would have neither the life skills, the finances , or the inclination to join in this global merry go around
Or don't they have a place in this utopian paradise

 

[random]

thread turns into GoodWill Hunting lol

 

[Hawhaw]

Well done Kate Hoey and John Mann, two mps who have the most honour in the anti Semite party.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I grit my teeth for the people who had to move to Birmingham. Poor dears (I jest, but you make an interesting point).

I’d be interested to see stats to back up your ‘vast majority move with a job lined up’. I’d love to know the distribution of the sectors they are moving into. I’d also like to see if they have family, if the family moves with them. And whether they are considered in this figure (amongst a load of other variables).

Also a breakdown of the people who do move here with a job lined up and where they are in terms of wage scale and technicality of jobs, how it effects people’s income on the lower end of the scale (zero hours contracts, min wage etc etc). Also how it restricts tech developments in said areas.

I don't have figures, but instinctively I don't know why anyone would uproot themselves, especially from a relatively stable homeland (ie discounting warzones) to go somewhere where you have no home or job lined up. Instinctively that makes no sense at all.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

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how would you feed these people, house them , give them health care ect how would you plan or finance it absolute dreamland
Please enlighten me the benefits of this to a poorly educated working class person in say Kirkdale or Walton living on minimum wage living in poor standard rented housing and low scoring schools in the neighborhood, that's quite a big proportion of the population in those areas , not merely a statistic that's there everyday life .
they would have neither the life skills, the finances , or the inclination to join in this global merry go around
Or don't they have a place in this utopian paradise

I've got a PDF version of Caplan's book, where much of these are explained in much better detail than I could do justice to. It's designed as a graphic novel, which makes it an easier read than most economics books, without suffering in terms of rigour. Happy to share it if you pm me your email.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

Oh I studied macroeconomics as part of my MSc Economics... tell me why austerity after a period of unsolicited spending and poor fiscal decisions is a bad idea. Are you a follower of classic models such as Keynesian or more modern models like real business cycle modelling?

You can be technical, or not. I’m ok with either.

As an Economics graduate I would be interested to hear that you would be a proponent of Austerity.

My (laymans) understanding of it was that most Economists, including the IMF had decided that it fundamentally doesn’t work.