Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Mr. White said:
He never said it explicitly. But the WW3 threat was a strong insinuation of what 'could' happen. It won't though, like most other Project Fear claims... they could happen, but they probably won't.

So, he hedged his bet. You either believe it will happen or you don't. He is a coward.
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No one mentioned WW3. That was hyperbole by journalists reporting what was said by various former generals and leading NATO figures.
 
Hickson9 said:
The problem with referendums is that it gives every moron an equal vote.

A major benefit of a Parliamentary democracy is avoiding that misfortune.
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That might be more reassuring if the bulk of MP's representing us in our oh so wonderful parliamentary democracy weren't also morons who think it fit and proper to shout at each other and generally behave like five year olds in the HOC.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Is basically where we're headed. At least until long enough has gone by and someone is elected with a big enough majority to make a decision one way or the other without concerning themselves about potential repercussions. The question is whether that will happen in our lifetime or not......
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As I said earlier I don't think a GE even with a large majority works as you could still have the total votes for the leave parties still being less than the remain parties but the Tories are the ones in power.

Unless people are prepared to take a leap of faith to resolve this then it will keep going around in circles.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
That might be more reassuring if the bulk of MP's representing us in our oh so wonderful parliamentary democracy weren't also morons who think it fit and proper to shout at each other and generally behave like five year olds in the HOC.
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I take the point but at least it is their full time job to represent and be informed.

We also have the benefit of an executive formed from the legislature that can be advised by experts.

Referendums are a terrible thing.
 
Hawhaw said:
"Whichever way one looks at it, the Agreement was either unlawful or made for an unlawful purpose or ultra vires. That means that the UK left the EU on the 29th March 2019 by default as there was no valid or lawful impediment to prevent it."


Stanley Brodie QC. Can give more examples if needed.
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JEBUS_LIVES said:
If you could.
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Could you link me up please? I've had a look at what Brodie was saying but I'd be interested to see what other legal arguments are being out forward.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
No one mentioned WW3. That was hyperbole by journalists reporting what was said by various former generals and leading NATO figures.
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Johnson specifically mentioned WW3 in claiming that’s what Cameron has warned of. It was Johnson that got the notion of WW3 out there and three years later people are still saying this was a key part of ‘project fear’.
 
The binman chronicles said:
As I said earlier I don't think a GE even with a large majority works as you could still have the total votes for the leave parties still being less than the remain parties but the Tories are the ones in power.

Unless people are prepared to take a leap of faith to resolve this then it will keep going around in circles.
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A second referendum wouldn't change anything either. The fact of the matter is that bulk of our MP's will never ok Brexit no matter what form it comes in or how many times we were to vote on it.

What would a second referendum even look like? Would it be the same question again? Would it be on how we were to leave? There would be endless debates and votes on the wording of the new ballet alone never mind the dates and if it waa legally binding or not.

How would this second referendum even get past the HOC? Becuse they've proven that they'll block everything and anything.
 
dead_soft said:
THIS ISN'T OUR DEMOCRACY. Our democracy is a parliamentary one, and people like yourself and @peteblue would rather run rough shod over it.
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The referendum was a rare act of direct democracy. The electorate’s will is to leave. Our parliament has been bypassed in this decision, just like our decision to stay in the common market in the 70’s was direct democracy.

I don’t personally believe that we should have referendum’s at all.

Some remainers and some brexiter’s will not agree with me.

I think referendums will always cause division. But we’ve had one, so we must now leave at all costs, anything less is to undermine the will of the people.
 
Hawhaw said:
The referendum was a rare act of direct democracy. The electorate’s will is to leave. Our parliament has been bypassed in this decision, just like our decision to stay in the common market in the 70’s was direct democracy.

I don’t personally believe that we should have referendum’s at all.

Some remainers and some brexiter’s will not agree with me.

I think referendums will always cause division. But we’ve had one, so we must now leave at all costs, anything less is to undermine the will of the people.
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Nonsense. Delaying implementation until an agreed way forward is found is not undermining the will of the people.

You would have been out by now under the terms agreed in December 2017 if it wasn't for the tory party relying on the DUP to stay in office.

This is about the tories saving their own skins, the result of the Brexit referendum is a secondary consideration.
 
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