Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

OK, let me put it another way.

We allocate 350.
We keep 100, and they tell us what to spend it on.
We send 250.

When (if) we finally exit, we keep the 100 they tell us to spend on x, y, & z, and don't send 250.

That is the simple mathematics of it.

Beyond parody now.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

And David Cameron said World War 3 could start if we left. Good job our politicians have our very best interests at heart and know what is good for us - even if we don't eh?

I never thought I’d see the day where I’d be defending Cameron (I truly hate the man) but interestingly he never said this.

He actually said “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash to make that assumption."

It was, you guessed it, Boris Johnson who then said “No, I don't believe that leaving the EU would cause World War Three to break out on the European continent”... Which was patently not what Cameron had warned of. The press and papers all then ran with the WW3 line as if it was attributed to Cameron. Like here:

'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron

Mr Cameron told pro-EU campaigners: "Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured?"

www.mirror.co.uk

It’s a pretty perfect microcosm demonstrating all that is wrong with our political system and press at the moment.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

OK, let me put it another way.

We allocate 350.
We keep 100, and they tell us what to spend it on.
We send 250.

When (if) we finally exit, we keep the 100 they tell us to spend on x, y, & z, and don't send 250.

That is the simple mathematics of it.

I understand where you are coming from now but sorry, you are wrong. The rebate isn’t money that is then spent on x, y & z. The rebate is fundamentally a discount.

The money that is spent on x, y & z in the U.K. (and as you say not entirely in our control) comes out of the actual 250 that is our (discounted) membership fee.

£350 million EU claim "a clear misuse of official statistics" – Full Fact

After we leave the EU, we cannot take back control of £350 million a week.

fullfact.org

 

[The binman chronicles]

I personally think a second referendum would end up being even more damaging to the unity of this country

Let's say hypothetically leave wins 51%, do you believe that would solve anything? It would ramp up the tension and division even more. Last thing we need.

The whole point of a further referendum is to break the impasse. The referendum would not be advisory as per last time and at the moment would just be remain or leave with a no deal. So in your case the morning after the result has been announced we should leave with a no deal.

As opposed to a GE, even if the Tories win championing a no deal Brexit, how many have voted because of brexit or just to prevent Corbyn getting in? You cannot make a GE into a single binary choice, there is far more to it than that. And even afterwards you would still be in the same position as parliament won't except that a no deal is what the people wanted. (The Tories could be elected on 34% of the total vote for instance)

 

[Jebus_lives]

OK, let me put it another way.

We allocate 350.
We keep 100, and they tell us what to spend it on.
We send 250.

When (if) we finally exit, we keep the 100 they tell us to spend on x, y, & z, and don't send 250.

That is the simple mathematics of it.

The head of the UK statistics Authority said it was false and the Judiciary said it was 'a false statement'. Let's put this to bed.

 

[peteblue]

I'm sorry, but who are you referring to here?

Corbyn.....

 

[peteblue]

Think you are reading this wrong mate. If a date for GE couldnt be changed after its called, Corbyn would most likely go for one. However, the date can be changed, and as such he wont go for one because he doest trust Johnson not to change the date till after we leave. Cant really blame him on that conclusion can you.

If Boris gave him a written undertaking, signed in blood and witnessed by the Queen and the HoC, Corbyn would still sit on the fence and demand something extra, and then if offered would seek something else......

 

[peteblue]

@peteblue can you explain to me why a second referendum would be a bad thing?
Given the misinformation and lack of understanding in the lead up to the initial vote, and how much more informed we are about the potential outcomes and paths a brexit would take, surely it would be a much more informed democratic decision made by the general public.
An informed democratic decision is better than an uniformed one surely.

If we had a GE and Corbyn got in, totally arsed up the country, and we said we were not informed about what you were going to do therefore we demand a second GE, what would the answer be......

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

There's absolutely no way all this has a good ending for anyone. Even if the MP's eventually decide to just ignore the referendum and withdraw article 50 as I suspect they will, no way will that be the end of the matter. This is going to drag on for years and years, possibly even decade's before we get somthing approaching a conclusion.

 

[Hawhaw]

The whole point of a further referendum is to break the impasse. The referendum would not be advisory as per last time and at the moment would just be remain or leave with a no deal. So in your case the morning after the result has been announced we should leave with a no deal.

As opposed to a GE, even if the Tories win championing a no deal Brexit, how many have voted because of brexit or just to prevent Corbyn getting in? You cannot make a GE into a single binary choice, there is far more to it than that. And even afterwards you would still be in the same position as parliament won't except that a no deal is what the people wanted. (The Tories could be elected on 34% of the total vote for instance)

Er mate, the referendum to stay in the common market was advisory. Until it was made into law. Same with the 2016 one. All referendums are technically advisory. That’s just legal jargon that’s meaningless. The government said in the leaflet given to every house in the country, our wish would be implemented.

There is no evidence remainers would even accept a second referendum. Considering the leader of the libDems has said as much.

 

[Khalekan]

...I heard about it. He lives in a different world, totally uninterested in places like Liverpool.

Yet his teo sons were pictured wearing LFC shirts at some function he took them to lol

 

[peteblue]

The whole point of a further referendum is to break the impasse. The referendum would not be advisory as per last time and at the moment would just be remain or leave with a no deal. So in your case the morning after the result has been announced we should leave with a no deal.

As opposed to a GE, even if the Tories win championing a no deal Brexit, how many have voted because of brexit or just to prevent Corbyn getting in? You cannot make a GE into a single binary choice, there is far more to it than that. And even afterwards you would still be in the same position as parliament won't except that a no deal is what the people wanted. (The Tories could be elected on 34% of the total vote for instance)

But it wouldn’t matter would it. If Leave again won, Remainers again would not accept it,,,,,,,would you ?

 

[Hawhaw]

But it wouldn’t matter would it. If Leave again won, Remainers again would not accept it,,,,,,,would you ?

No chance they would.

The leader of lib dem’s has said as much, most only say they would accept it to try sound semi reasonable, but when pushed they can’t say the first vote is legitimate.

The more sinister aspect is they don’t simply accept the result. People’s vote, conformitary referendum, is just stuff that comes from the sultan of spin Alastair Campbell. The real agenda is to cancel democracy.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

If we need another referendum on anything it should be reform our own falling poltical system because it's totally unfit for purpose right now and filled with career politicians that aren't to pick up litter in a park much less run our country.

Stay in the EU or leave, I'm past caring at this point but the bulk of our population will never see anything better then we have it right now the vermin we currently have sitting in the HOC from all parties.

 

[Kurt.]

Tommy Sheppard’s Nose ... wow