Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
As I didn't mention either of those gentlemen in my post and your reply has nothing to do with what I said, I have to ask, just exactly what are you smoking.......
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You're equating the EU to a federal state.

It clearly isn't. Jean Claude Juncker is an admitted (by him) European federalist.

If you actually knew the history of the term 'European Community' you would know that arose as the British objected to the term 'Federal' being included in any of the treaties.


i.e. Jean Claude Juncker is not the EU.

The EU is not a federal state.

You are wrong.
 
peteblue said:
There is a difference between Interdependence and having someone else formulate your laws. The USA has a NAFTA agreement, but Canada does not write US law......the EU has gone way past a trade agreement and is putting together a United States of Europe, as Esk might say "this is without doubt" and I don't want anything to do with it.........
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Fair enough Pete. I do and think the aims are mostly laudable although getting there would not be easy. If I was to criticise they need to react more quickly when policy fails. I still am convinced that staying in and leading on change was far the better option. There will be a lot of suffering all round until a settlement is concluded.
 
bizzaro said:
Its covered in a money law.

The UK government legally cannot loan the government of ireland any more money without amending that act of parliament.

RBS and Lloyds are UK domiciled companies. Not Irish. Nothing to do with this.
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backdoor loan same outcome mine and your money being lend/given via the goverment to Ireland,
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwimuISsod3NAhWpIMAKHREPCgEQFggjMAE&url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9813358/British-taxpayers-funded-Irelands-14bn-bail-out.html&usg=AFQjCNE3y0TrFnTBZY0nJrX2DfNhsfsn-A
 
bizzaro said:
You're equating the EU to a federal state.

It clearly isn't. Jean Claude Juncker is an admitted (by him) European federalist.

If you actually knew the history of the term 'European Community' you would know that arose as the British objected to the term 'Federal' being included in any of the treaties.


i.e. Jean Claude Juncker is not the EU.

The EU is not a federal state.

You are wrong.
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Are you having a conversation with yourself. Please go back and read the posts........
 
Rob17896 said:
Fair enough Pete. I do and think the aims are mostly laudable although getting there would not be easy. If I was to criticise they need to react more quickly when policy fails. I still am convinced that staying in and leading on change was far the better option. There will be a lot of suffering all round until a settlement is concluded.
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If the EU worked correctly and sensibly we would probably still wish to be in the EU. The EU will fall apart because it is unwilling to admit when it is wrong and will not learn lessons. It's only answer is always 'more europe' and it completely disregards the needs of the peoples of Europe......
 
bobbydigital said:
Do you think there will be a trade deal brokered without accepting freedom of movement?
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Yes mobility will in the future be based on skills , and necessity of Labour, not random please yourself free movement without your passport being stamped, please remember we are leaving the EU not Europe!
Just tighter border control!
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
So the the leave campaign was an official government policy was it? Somebody should tell David Cameron quickly that he's resigning for nothing! You do understand that having loads of backbencher's wanting to leave means very little. It is the Prime Minister and his inner circle of cronies (who are all remainers) that hold the power. Before you suggest otherwise I'm perfectly aware that there are leave campaigners in the cabinet, but the people who run the Conservative party are Remainers. You are aware that the Conservative party were nothing like being united on the policy of Brexit to say the very least!
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A lot of bluster there mate which does nothing to prove your original statement nor disprove my response to it.

Gwladysstreetlad said:
Again though I would point out that the 'leave' side isn't actually in government.
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The facts are a higher proportion of the leave campaign are in government than the remain campaign.

That is not an interpretation it's just basic maths. Refute the numbers if you want by all means but all of that above is meaningless.

80 odd percent of the leave side (mps) were and are in government.
 
joey_macmo said:
A lot of bluster there mate which does nothing to prove your original statement nor disprove my response to it.



The facts are a higher proportion of the leave campaign are in government than the remain campaign.

That is not an interpretation it's just basic maths. Refute the numbers if you want by all means but all of that above is meaningless.

80 odd percent of the leave side (mps) were and are in government.
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You're just messing about with numbers.....if there were only 5 Leave MP's and 4 were conservative you would say 80% of the leave side are in government. And if there were 645 Remain MP's of which 325 were conservative you would say only just over 50% of remain are in government........However, as you fully understand,there are more Remain supporters in Government than Leave supporters......
 
peteblue said:
Yes I do, in the same way that the USA will do a trade deal with the EU without freedom of movement.....
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Of course the UK will have a trade deal with the EU just like the US or any other country has. I'd imagine there are going to be a lot of civil servants employed to help draw up all these new trade deals!
 
Ruairi77 said:
Of course the UK will have a trade deal with the EU just like the US or any other country has. I'd imagine there are going to be a lot of civil servants employed to help draw up all these new trade deals!
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Indeed, many hundreds, the trick is finding and training them, but the process has started........
 
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