I am a social democrat if you like to label it and never voted for them but he would have been great.
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not being prickly, just trying to understand. Were these British MEP's? when did they vote for a referendum?
bizzaro
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I'm supporting Theresa May in this election btw.
Purely it stops the ideologues taking over government - and puts the UK in the best possible (not the ideal) situation under the circumstances.
Businesses want a safe pair of hands who won't overly rush things because IDS, Redwood and Farage are insisting it is rushed. (salivating at the thought of it because they just don't care of the impacts).
Because that will do undue damage to the UK economy and society.
It needs to be done professionally. Leadsom saying she'd trigger Article 50 in September was an absolute joke. Just as well give Juncker exactly what he wants. Ridiculous proposition.
Someone who won't rush things is what is needed. But will be clear and not media spouting. Theresa May only one who meets my criteria.
Gwladysstreetlad
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1) Wrong, David Cameron promised a referendum in his party manifesto in an attempt to win the general election, by winning over the massive amount of Eurosceptic voters. A promise he thought he wouldn't have to keep because he assumed he would end up with another coalition government and be able to blame the Lib Dem's for not giving the referendum.
2) Wrong, this is a myth being shouted by unhappy Bremainers, I don't doubt there were some uninformed leave voters who used their vote to hit back at the government but I doubt it was many. If the nation was that angry with the conservative government why did they win an outright majority only a year earlier.
3) Wrong, the protest vote as I wrote above is a bit of a myth being created to discredit the leave result.
4) Wrong, it is not the job of the leave campaign to make any decisions anyway. David Cameron is still the PM and was remain, his likely successor (May) is also remain.
5) Very Wrong, David Cameron has resigned because: A) he lost face with the country and the party,
B) he doesn't want to be the one to invoke article 50 and do the work involved,
C) he's a shameless snake trying to buy time for his successor (likely to be May) to weasel her way out of upholding the referendum.
The turmoil within the Labour party has nothing to do with the referendum. Boris Johnson pulled out of the leadership race because he knew he stood mo chance of winning and Nigel Fararge resigned as party leader because he had fulfilled his 17 year target and UKIP's mandate. I'm sure he would offer advice to the government, but he'd be about as welcome as Stevie Me at Goodison!
6) This is true, the sterling will continue to drop until the government makes an actual decision to invoke article 50 or not and end the uncertainty.
7) Wrong, The Conservative's will not call an election because they have no need to. They were elected off the back of the referendum promise and they therefore have no reason to call an election. They would no doubt win though, looking at Labour's current state.
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Old Blue 2
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1. It was not for the 'Leave' campaign to have a plan in place. The campaign to leave was exactly that: a campaign. It is for the Government of the day to implement the decision of the Referendum, NOT the campaign itself.
2. Cameron resigned. He backed the wrong horse in a two-horse race. And spent £9 millioin of taxpayers money into the bargain having leaflets produced and issued to every household in the UK to further the 'Remain' campaign. A disgraceful misuse of public funds.
The Leader of the Labour Party has not resigned.
The Leader of the UK Independence Party (Farage) has resigned his post as he believes it is for someone else to take the Party forward now. He said he had achieved what he had set out to do.
Thanks for the reply. Got the protest vote impression from videos like this
You make good points but I still think there seems to be no co-ordinated plan on the leave side for how to proceed.
At this moment their is no alternative in any party.
Gwladysstreetlad
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No problem pal, the whole thing is very confusing to many people and its not surprising you got that impression because the media are doing their very best to confuse people, thereby creating more panicking viewer's. Again though I would point out that the 'leave' side isn't actually in government.
But did they not lay out any idea of what would happen after brexit? I get they don't have to govern but they must have given some guidelines of how they would like things to proceed? Or was it just 'here are all the reasons we should leave' without any 'here's what will happen if we do'?
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Nice fontage.
@The Esk
As mentioned - this is an attempt by Jean Claude Juncker - to cause the UK to act precipitously and prematurely.
A case of Juncker trying to antagonise a negotiating party into making a mistake - see emboldened coloured bit.
What Mr Juncker fails to grasp is that the UK isn't a small little country like Greece or Luxembourg. It actually has expert negotiators that it can hire and aren't stupid.
Only stupid politicians would consider triggering Article 50 early. When that is done - the negotiating position the UK has is lost.
This is an attempt to antagonise the UK into making a mistake.
I'm a REMAIN voter. However, I'm not stupid. Despite what that idiot Juncker tries to claim the patronising tool. Can tell precisely what he is doing.
If the UK triggers Article 50. Juncker and co- will refuse to negotiate. Then sit it out. Trying to push us onto WTO terms then to 'punish' the UK.
Fact.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36712550
Brexit leaders 'leaving the boat' - EU Commission boss Juncker
EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has accused Brexit campaigners Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage of quitting when things got difficult.
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"The Brexit heroes of yesterday are now the sad Brexit heroes of today," he told the European Parliament.
There was anger among MEPs over the UK's 23 June vote to leave the EU.
Mr Juncker spoke of Leave camp "retro nationalists". "Patriots don't resign when things get difficult, they stay," he told MEPs in Strasbourg.
He also said he did not understand why those in the Brexit camp in the UK would want to wait before beginning the formal withdrawal process.
"Instead of developing the plan, they are leaving the boat," he said.
Boris Johnson, former London mayor and a leading Brexit campaigner, caused a sensation last Thursday when he pulled out of the Conservative leadership race.
He had been considered a favourite to replace David Cameron as party leader and prime minister.
UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage resigned on Monday, saying he wanted his "life back", as he had fulfilled his political ambition of putting the UK on a path to exit from the EU, nicknamed "Brexit".
Mr Farage has clashed repeatedly with Mr Juncker in the European Parliament.
Brexiteers accuse the Commission of dictating policy to the UK and expanding its powers to the detriment of Europe's citizens. The Commission drafts EU laws and polices the bloc's regulations.
UK 'collapsed'
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told MEPs that the Brexit vote was "extremely unfortunate", especially for the UK. "That country now has collapsed - politically, economically, monetarily and constitutionally, and you will have years ahead of you to get out of this mess."
The referendum result caused political and economic turmoil in the UK. The pound slumped to a 31-year low against the US dollar and there are fears that the UK is heading for a recession again.
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No one did.
Then we all became expert in Clause 50 or whatever its called.
Both sides were relentless in the negative aspects of staying or going, and it was only when the result came through that we (generally) went all a bit unsure what on earth happens now.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Do you need me to explain the difference between the EU Parliament, Commission and all the other parts of the EU system and individual nations? Because I have no idea why you have brought up comparison's between us and other member states, my OP had absolutely nothing to do with that. If you can't see that the commission, the parliament and all the other EU institutions are just massive corrupt gravy trains that's up to you. Oh BTW it's nice to see your happy to make massive sweeping generalisations about leavers, that doesn't make you ignorant or bias at all does it!
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Seanjd
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A lot of your points were correct buddy I wouldn't worry.
Old Blue 2
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I still don't think you understand.
There were two campaigns. They had no political clout whatsoever, in that they were not in any kind of position to tell the Government of the day how to take the final vote forward.
They were simply advocates of their own side. They put the case for their respective sides.
As I believe they were not allowed to canvass on the day of the election, both campaigns, in effect, ceased to exist at midnight on 22nd June. After that, it was a matter of votes being counted, culminating in one side getting past the 'winning post'. Given that 'Leave' won the day, the responsibility now falls upon the Government to take matters forward, NOT those involved in the campaign. They are two separate and distinct things.
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