Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

Because the EU doesn't have the equivalent of a House of Commons where MPs (MEPs) can table bills for debate and legislation. Everything like that in EU comes from the top down and the subjects for debate are controlled (tightly) by the cabal at the top of the EU pyramid. But you knew that already.

Which is no different to here. Simon Stevens, for instance, is the boss of the NHS, and runs it with the bosses of trusts across England. The Health Minister signs off on things but doesn't actually propose policies themselves, they're done by the civil service.

 

[RichardP]

Cabal? Anyone would think you lived in a country where a large proportion of its PMs hadnt all gone to the same bloody school.

Ah, deflection again when the point I make hits home and you have no response.

Thanks Bruce.

 

[peteblue]

Cabal? Anyone would think you lived in a country where a large proportion of its PMs hadnt all gone to the same bloody school.

But his point is correct. The MEP’s are just there to rubber stamp whatever the Commission deems policy....it’s a veneer of democracy....

 

[tsubaki]

Not if Corbyn gets in......

Even for you it takes a special level of cognitive dissonance to look at two parties, one of which has had millions off "former" members of the Russian elite, and suggest that its the other one who helps Moscow.

 

[RichardP]

Which is no different to here. Simon Stevens, for instance, is the boss of the NHS, and runs it with the bosses of trusts across England. The Health Minister signs off on things but doesn't actually propose policies themselves, they're done by the civil service.

The NHS doesn't run the country or Europe though does it!

 

[Blue 1]

What would you call it then, ‘partition’, ‘discrimination’, ‘prejudice’........

There's a bit of prejudice involved I'd guess.

 

[tsubaki]

Ah, deflection again when the point I make hits home and you have no response.

Thanks Bruce.

Your point was one that can equally be said about us though - yes, MPs can propose legislation but without the Government (or "the cabal at the top of the pyramid" to use your language) giving time for a PMB to pass and not opposing it, it will not become law.

 

[larrygobfiend]

the newest form of racism........

“Nearly two in five people who voted to remain in the EU would be upset if their child married a leave supporter, a survey shows.


The YouGov poll of 2,380 people found more than one in 10 (11 per cent) of remainers would describe themselves as "very upset" if their offspring tied the knot with a Brexiteer, while another 28 per cent said they would be "somewhat upset".


Only 11 per cent of leave voters said they would be in any way upset if their child married a pro-EU partner.


The poll also found that 11 per cent of Labour supporters would be "very upset" if their child married a Tory, while just 2 per cent of Conservatives said they would be similarly aggrieved if the positions were reversed.”

Now who are the real racists......

Is this a parody account now? If you're serious, you need to seek help.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I would have thought your own ‘sectarianism’ is also an apt descriptor......

So you are both racist AND sectarian if you don't wish to tie the knot with a leaver.

You lot have completely lost the plot.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The NHS doesn't run the country or Europe though does it!

No, they run NHS England. There are other departments running other parts of government. If you actually had any experience of central government you'd realise that.

 

[tsubaki]

So you are both racist AND sectarian if you don't wish to tie the knot with a leaver.

You lot have completely lost the plot.

The way they were all outraged by "that cop at Notting Hill" on twitter last night was honestly the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.

 

[peteblue]

Your point was one that can equally be said about us though - yes, MPs can propose legislation but without the Government (or "the cabal at the top of the pyramid" to use your language) giving time for a PMB to pass and not opposing it, it will not become law.

At the top of our government is a large Civil Service. The civil service is organised into various ministries all of whom are headed up by an elected MP, drawn from across the party that was elected by the people of the U.K.

Now the EU Commission, Bruce tells me, is just like our Civil Service, but can you tell me which elected MEP’s get to run and oversee the various commission ‘ministries’ and how many votes did they receive ?.....

 

[peteblue]

So you are both racist AND sectarian if you don't wish to tie the knot with a leaver.

You lot have completely lost the plot.

Well it appears that it is ‘you lot’ that seem to practice it......

 

[peteblue]

Is this a parody account now? If you're serious, you need to seek help.

Just a piece from the independent. So what would you call this form of prejudice?.......

 

[Xizor]

I would expect that somebody who not only voted Leave but passionately defends that decision even now would have completely different set of values to me, so it's hard to see how I could possibly end up marrying them.

Edit - ah right it's my children marrying them. Well the point still stands. Leavers aren't a race, or an ethnicity etc, they have voted a particular way and as I said, that vote makes it likely they have completely different values than I do, including some that I perceive as negative qualities.