Current Affairs EU In or Out

[JimmyJeffers]

But I thought you didn’t approve of Boris, but now you seem to approve of nefarious political machinations as long as it’s Corbyn.....

we are heading for a no deal brexit that he feels would be hugely detrimental to the U.K. Corbyn has resisted calls for a second referendum despite huge pressure from his party and supporters. Not sure you can be overly critical of him in that regard to be honest.

 

[Alan Whittle]

plotting parliamentary tricks

lol
That would be Boris ensuring Parliament is suspended to push through his beloved no deal.

 

[Xizor]

But I thought you didn’t approve of Boris, but now you seem to approve of nefarious political machinations as long as it’s Corbyn.....

I'm not a fan of either to be honest. My politics aren't too far removed from Corbyn, but he's a horrible party leader that has no appeal to Middle England and will never be PM (and that's without getting into his shocking mishandling of the party's attitude to antisemitism). His demanding of leading this 'intervention of the sensible' makes him easy to label as plotting a coup etc.

If I were him I'd be throwing my support behind a compromise candidate on the strict understanding that he gets his much-demanded GE out of it (personally I'd prefer to just revoke, with PV after, but I can't see how a temporary unity govt get either through)

 

[Xizor]

lol
That would be Boris ensuring Parliament is suspended to push through his beloved no deal.

What's the matter mate, dOn'T yoU bELieVe iN DeMOcrAcY?

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

He's got me on ignore...

How would I know that he has me on ignore? Apart from not answering difficult questions?

 

[tsubaki]

Name names and amounts.....

Ehud Sheleg has given the Tories at least £1.8 million, and is now their Treasurer. Alexander Termenko (former Defence Ministry man under Yeltsin, and one of those anti-Putin folk who somehow still have all their money and who aren't touched by the Russian state) has given a shade less than £300,000. Lubov Chernukin, the wife of one of Putins former mates (who again still has their money) paid more than £400000 to them for a series of "leaders dinners".

The appointment of people (like Chloe Westley) from the TPA and the other groups based on Tufton Street - about whom almost nothing is known about who funds them - by Johnson, even after one of them (the IEA) was caught on tape offering to change government policy in return for donations, is a clear indicator of what is about to happen.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

He’s the only one actually trying to deliver what the U.K. voted for, LEAVE, while the likes of Corbyn just want an election and Hammond just wants us to stay in the EU .....

What May offered was to leave, but that wasn't the right kind of leave (apparently).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think the arguments in this thread stem largely from the appropriation of that group's plight to make political capital. On both sides of the argument.

Politicians, who by and large couldn't care less about these people, talking about the 'plight of Grimsby, Burnley, Bradford' as if they aren't the direct cause of the problem.

Boris Johnson and Farage are the biggest charlatans of them all. Like modern day P.T Barnum.

Witness Johnson talking about pork pies in Melton Mowbray. He doesn't care about such places, but used them to make up a lie for political ends.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So while Boris is about to send his people to negotiate with Brussels, Corbyn and the others who refuse to act of the referendum vote are meeting up and plotting parliamentary tricks to get himself installed as PM.........

You seem of the misapprehension that the job of the prime minister is to do the bidding of the 100,000 Tory members who voted him in rather than for the country as a whole. That you then bleat on (and on and on) about democracy merely adds to the absurdity.

 

[tsubaki]

What May offered was to leave, but that wasn't the right kind of leave (apparently).

Indeed. If Boris wanted to Leave with Parliamentary approval, he could propose something similar to the customs union and walk away with a majority of about 400, but then he'd lose most of his donors.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Witness Johnson talking about pork pies in Melton Mowbray. He doesn't care about such places, but used them to make up a lie for political ends.

He wasn't just talking about pork pies, he was telling pork pies....

 

[RichardP]

@RichardP A thread which somewhat debunks your simplistic arguments that the EU is to blame for the problems of the British fishing fleet.

If we had not joined EU we would still have a massive fishing fleet, less unemployment, shipyards producing ships rather than laying idle - and cheaper fish n chips!

 

[RichardP]

The collapse of the Newfoundland fisheries and the implementation of 200 mile domestic fishing exclusion zones for coastal states (e.g. the 'cod wars') had a large impact on the British fishing fleet.

And the EU took great delight in kicking us when we were down rather than helping us rebuild.

Where were the 'EU Funds' that remainers harp on about to protect the UK fishing industry?

 

[peteblue]

the newest form of racism........

“Nearly two in five people who voted to remain in the EU would be upset if their child married a leave supporter, a survey shows.


The YouGov poll of 2,380 people found more than one in 10 (11 per cent) of remainers would describe themselves as "very upset" if their offspring tied the knot with a Brexiteer, while another 28 per cent said they would be "somewhat upset".


Only 11 per cent of leave voters said they would be in any way upset if their child married a pro-EU partner.


The poll also found that 11 per cent of Labour supporters would be "very upset" if their child married a Tory, while just 2 per cent of Conservatives said they would be similarly aggrieved if the positions were reversed.”

Now who are the real racists......

 

[RichardP]

What May offered was to leave, but that wasn't the right kind of leave (apparently).

May was and still is a Remainer. What she offered was not just a Remain deal, but a Remain deal that could have left us trapped in EU permanently. Ie, it wasn't brexit at all. It was just another EU treaty.

In 2016 brexit was clearly defined by Cameron as leaving the Customs Union, Common Fisheries Policy etc etc. So May did not deliver what we voted for. Not even close.