Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

I would then consider the overall effect of Globalisation and how that feels if you haven't gone to university, are immobile and living near where you grew up, poorly paid and insecure work etc.

It could seem like a big stitch up between elites across the Continent with Westminster fully playing its part.

Yes but then you're straying into conspiracy theory territory here.

I agree that these groups feel completely disconnected from the general media focus, which often just highlights London and big cities. I'm not surprised people don't feel like they are represented, because they aren't really, unless it's negatively or with sympathy.

Quite often, it's these areas that feel they are having asylum seekers and Refugees 'forced' on them and having to bear the brunt of costs - because in many other areas of social policy they are hit hardest.

And yet, they are dancing to the tune of people that couldn't care less about them and swallowing the misinformation about the EU. The thing is, if we leave, it will hit them even harder.

 

[random]

I agree that these groups feel completely disconnected from the general media focus, which often just highlights London and big cities. I'm not surprised people don't feel like they are represented, because they aren't really, unless it's negatively or with sympathy.

and thats why throwing facts about how much worse it could be have little meaning to a lot of people.

unless you are in the position they are in and have some empathy for them, then trying to point out how stupid or gullible they are only serves to strengthen their resolve.

something one or two posters in this thread would do well to understand.

 

[peteblue]

I love that you're insinuating that Johnson isn't. lol

Man of the people

But you are missing the point. Like him or loathe him he is batting for the U.K.......

 

[peteblue]

As opposed to Johnson, who has been sacked from numerous jobs for combinations of dishonesty and incompetence, yet he's the person you back unreservedly.

He’s the only one actually trying to deliver what the U.K. voted for, LEAVE, while the likes of Corbyn just want an election and Hammond just wants us to stay in the EU .....

 

[Jebus_lives]

But you are missing the point. Like him or loathe him he is batting for the U.K.......

Himself.

 

[peteblue]

Random this, but I'm sure Rees Mogg went into Gregg's a few years ago to try and pretend he was a 'man of the people'. lol

And Peter Mandelson at a Hartlepool fish and chip shop ordering fish and chips and a tub of guacamole..........

 

[tsubaki]

But you are missing the point. Like him or loathe him he is batting for the U.K.......

Is he? If that is the case, why does so much of the money backing him come from abroad?

 

[peteblue]

Is he? If that is the case, why does so much of the money backing him come from abroad?

Name names and amounts.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

and thats why throwing facts about how much worse it could be have little meaning to a lot of people.

unless you are in the position they are in and have some empathy for them, then trying to point out how stupid or gullible they are only serves to strengthen their resolve.

something one or two posters in this thread would do well to understand.

I think the arguments in this thread stem largely from the appropriation of that group's plight to make political capital. On both sides of the argument.

Politicians, who by and large couldn't care less about these people, talking about the 'plight of Grimsby, Burnley, Bradford' as if they aren't the direct cause of the problem.

Boris Johnson and Farage are the biggest charlatans of them all. Like modern day P.T Barnum.

 

[peteblue]

So while Boris is about to send his people to negotiate with Brussels, Corbyn and the others who refuse to act of the referendum vote are meeting up and plotting parliamentary tricks to get himself installed as PM.........

 

[The binman chronicles]

He’s the only one actually trying to deliver what the U.K. voted for, LEAVE, while the likes of Corbyn just want an election and Hammond just wants us to stay in the EU .....

The government had years to come up with a semi sensible version of leaving the EU, we might have been out already if they had. The problem is you can't square a circle, to that means why should the UK cause that much self inflicted damage just to tick a box? That is not leading.

 

[Jebus_lives]

And Peter Mandelson at a Hartlepool fish and chip shop ordering fish and chips and a tub of guacamole..........

lol although I believe that was made up.

 

[Jebus_lives]

So while Boris is about to send his people to negotiate with Brussels, Corbyn and the others who refuse to act of the referendum vote are meeting up and plotting parliamentary tricks to get himself installed as PM.........

Can you explain to me how this is any different to Boris Johnsons actions across the past 4 years?

 

[Kurt.]

Name names and amounts.....

Whoooaaaaa....... a leave voter asking for facts ???? Bloody hell pete ... calm down.

 

[peteblue]

Can you explain to me how this is any different to Boris Johnsons actions across the past 4 years?

But I thought you didn’t approve of Boris, but now you seem to approve of nefarious political machinations as long as it’s Corbyn.....