Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

A double edged sword... I see that the yellowhammer report (does anyone know how old it is ?) is stirring up a lot of emotion but it really is double edged. Remainers would like to think it will scare us all into delaying Brexit again, while those in Dublin are now saying that if this happens to the U.K., food, medicines etc etc, it will be even worse for them, and so pressure mounts for getting rid of the backstop......funny how these things work themselves out.....

@peteblue the yellowhammer letter was dated August 2019, meaning that no previous Minister to that time could have leaked this information. Mr Hammond is awaiting an apology from Johnson, apparently. Hope this helps......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Like what? In your daily life, how does the EU interfere with it?

Maybe he would like his bananas to be bendier.

 

[roydo]

Maybe he would like his bananas to be bendier.

Its odd. Like I gave @Frank. some clog once for saying his reason to leave was "Because I dont like it. " Well, at least that was honest. Others list empty rhetoric which is usually factually incorrect to boot.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

1- We extract ourselves from EU interference in our daily lives.

2- We regain total sovereignty.

3- We can sign independent bi lateral trade deals without having to get EU permission first.

And, bonus point;

4- We no longer feel a polite obligation to engage in this type of debate with defeated Remainers.

Now my question.

If there is such animosity towards the UK democratic decision to leave EU and we are apparently so unpopular, why is EU so desperate to prevent us from leaving - can't survive without our money perhaps?

Not going to pretend I have much knowledge on trade deals but I would hardly say it’s on the list of most pressing concerns.
Sovereignty and Eu interference can broadly be put into the same point and as other posters have pointed out, I am totally unsure as to how this significantly impacts mine or anyone else’s daily living. More impact was caused by austerity measures (which I imagine you wholeheartedly supported)
Sorry for making you politely justify your reasoning for voting for a movement that was motivated by racist rhetoric and nationalist ideals btw.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Its odd. Like I gave @Frank. some clog once for saying his reason to leave was "Because I dont like it. " Well, at least that was honest. Others list empty rhetoric which is usually factually incorrect to boot.

I'm pretty sure it's that he doesn't like foreigners but is too much of a coward to outright say it.

 

[tsubaki]

Not going to pretend I have much knowledge on trade deals but I would hardly say it’s on the list of most pressing concerns.
Sovereignty and Eu interference can broadly be put into the same point and as other posters have pointed out, I am totally unsure as to how this significantly impacts mine or anyone else’s daily living. More impact was caused by austerity measures (which I imagine you wholeheartedly supported)
Sorry for making you politely justify your reasoning for voting for a movement that was motivated by racist rhetoric and nationalist ideals btw.

Trade deals are exactly why Brexit happened, and you can see that from the amount of money that was poured in (and still is) to the Brexiteer side from abroad. US firms are going to make a fortune, and they'll get access to a large number of English-speaking people who will be desperate for money and who will have even less legal protections than US citizens do.

Now once upon a time taking money from foreign countries in order to influence your own would be called "treason" - but sadly we live in a time when the biggest patriots are those who take the most money from abroad, and the biggest anti-British person around is apparently the one who is funded overwhelmingly by the British.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

On your last point. Presumably you would be happy if, following a GE where Labour were voted in, all the other parties in Parliament got together and voted for another election? Whether you like it or not, democracy in this country is defined by 'first past the post voting'. The day that this is overturned, will be the death of democracy in this country.

That post makes no sense. In your example either Labour have the parliamentary majority or not.

By the way you never answer a direct question do you? I've asked you countless times now to specify advantages of Bredit and nothing comes back.

 

[Joey66]

Salt, and making @Joey66 's son change his password.

Yes as a network engineer he is my angel on the computer .

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Have a read of the Lisbon treaty.

If you can't and won't understand how EU is taking away control, soveteignty, call it what you will, then no explanation from anyone will ever get past your brainwashed -like view on EU.

We want to be in control of our own future. In EU we are not and that will only get worse when the current policy of consensus moves to qualified majority. But then, youknew that didn't you.

Stop avoiding the question. What aspect of EU laws/interventions currently cause you concern or harm? Name one. Two would be great.

 

[Methuselah]

Because you said that if it was overturned it would be the death of democracy. That's not difficult to understand, surely.

Sigh. I said that it would be the death of democracy no matter what system of voting was used, if it was overturned.

If you have a system of voting, regardless of which one is used, and a democratic vote is overturned, then that is the death of democracy.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Sigh. I said that it would be the death of democracy no matter what system of voting was used, if it was overturned.

If you have a system of voting, regardless of which one is used, and a democratic vote is overturned, then that is the death of democracy.

There have been various times a government has been elected only for the HoC to push for no confidence or they themselves haven't got the majority to put through what they want to. Should they stay for the full term because we elected them? Is that undemocratic? No we just have another election and the people decide again with failings of the previous administration in mind.

Same applies with Brexit, the government tried and failed to find a workable solution, so it should be put back to the people to go again. How can more democracy = less?

Besides you guys think that everyone who voted for Brexit knew exactly what they wanted so you should walk a no deal v remain choice.

 

[RichardP]

Stop avoiding the question. What aspect of EU laws/interventions currently cause you concern or harm? Name one. Two would be great.

Ave already done that.

But I dont mind repeating myself for you.

How about the restriction that prevents trade deals with countries outside EU without getting EU approval first.

Tjat is an intrusion into our sovereignty as an independent country.

 

[tsubaki]

Ave already done that.

But I dont mind repeating myself for you.

How about the restriction that prevents trade deals with countries outside EU without getting EU approval first.

Tjat is an intrusion into our sovereignty as an independent country.

So is our financial deal with the US, though

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Sigh. I said that it would be the death of democracy no matter what system of voting was used, if it was overturned.

If you have a system of voting, regardless of which one is used, and a democratic vote is overturned, then that is the death of democracy.

No you didn't actually say that, but if that's what you meant then fair enough.

 

[roydo]

Ave already done that.

But I dont mind repeating myself for you.

How about the restriction that prevents trade deals with countries outside EU without getting EU approval first.

Tjat is an intrusion into our sovereignty as an independent country.

You do realise that sounds like nonsense? The EU dont restrict the UK doing trade deals. Because we are PART of the EU, and partake in trade discussions as part of the EU.

When we leave we will be able to do trade deals like anyone else. Just with a market to offer a partner of 60 million ish, instead of a market of 350 million ish.