Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Xizor]

Sunday Times' front page makes grim reading this morning:

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Still if we all just knuckle down and work hard, like the Baby Boomer Brexiters insist, then we can do without things like medicine, petrol and the ability to spend time at our land border without being a potential victim of terrorist activity. We've grown too comfortable as a nation, say the retired, property-owning, set-for-life pensioners about the asset-less, payslip-to-payslip existence, zero-hour workforce.

 

[TyphooToffee]

From a report in the Guardian:

“Our country is on the brink of an economic crisis, as we career towards a no-deal Brexit which will have an immediate effect on food and medical supplies, damage our economy, jobs, the public finances, public services, universities and long-term economic security. A no-deal Brexit also threatens our crucial security cooperation to keep our country safe from criminals and terrorists.
“We face a national emergency, and parliament must be recalled now in August and sit permanently until 31 October, so that the voices of the people can be heard, and that there can be proper scrutiny of your government. A true democrat should not fear such scrutiny. The question is whether you are one.”

Firstly, the voice of the people has already been heard and nothing has been done about it other than a remainder PM and Cabinet going through the motions and a remaining parliament scuppering our only trump (no pun intended) card.

Secondly, it now seems that everything is under threat, including universities. Makes you wonder how we ever survived without the help of the French and Germans.

Oh the irony.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sunday Times' front page makes grim reading this morning:

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Still if we all just knuckle down and work hard, like the Baby Boomer Brexiters insist, then we can do without things like medicine, petrol and the ability to spend time at our land border without being a potential victim of terrorist activity. We've grown too comfortable as a nation, say the retired, property-owning, set-for-life pensioners about the asset-less, payslip-to-payslip existence, zero-hour workforce.

@Methuselah is on it to be honest so I'm not worried.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Sunday Times' front page makes grim reading this morning:

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Still if we all just knuckle down and work hard, like the Baby Boomer Brexiters insist, then we can do without things like medicine, petrol and the ability to spend time at our land border without being a potential victim of terrorist activity. We've grown too comfortable as a nation, say the retired, property-owning, set-for-life pensioners about the asset-less, payslip-to-payslip existence, zero-hour workforce.

Thing is, this is not news.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Thing is, this is not news.

It's not, but we're in an environment where the German economy has just contracted, and a growing number of people are predicting a recession is looming. Not only is the monumental change of Brexit incredibly risky in a time of such uncertainty, but it's almost guaranteed that Brexit will be a negative influence on that uncertainty.

 

[Methuselah]

@Methuselah is on it to be honest so I'm not worried.

Surprised at the Sunday Times, giving publication to Project Fear Issue 94, produced by the ultra Remainers Whitehall. No mention of the recent comments by the President of Port Boulogne Calais, Jean-Marc Puisssesseau, who said 'nothing is going to happen the day after Brexit and some individuals are whipping up 'catastrophism for their own reasons'. No mention of the effect on EU businesses who won't be paid until goods are delivered. Except, of course, perishable goods, which, if they get delivered after their 'use by' date, they won't get paid at all. That's the real world.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Surprised at the Sunday Times, giving publication to Project Fear Issue 94, produced by the ultra Remainers Whitehall. No mention of the recent comments by the President of Port Boulogne Calais, Jean-Marc Puisssesseau, who said 'nothing is going to happen the day after Brexit and some individuals are whipping up 'catastrophism for their own reasons'. No mention of the effect on EU businesses who won't be paid until goods are delivered. Except, of course, perishable goods, which, if they get delivered after their 'use by' date, they won't get paid at all. That's the real world.

You think the civil service have an agenda? Heavens above.

More than 100 MPs demand Boris Johnson recalls parliament amid ‘national emergency’

‘You have used the language of fascism and authoritarianism,’ cross-party group says to PM

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's not, but we're in an environment where the German economy has just contracted, and a growing number of people are predicting a recession is looming. Not only is the monumental change of Brexit incredibly risky in a time of such uncertainty, but it's almost guaranteed that Brexit will be a negative influence on that uncertainty.

Quite. My point was more that the medua now seem to think that No Deal is a real possibility and reporting the concerns much more readily.

A lot of this information has been widely available for a long time, I've seen a lot of it, but not presented by large portions of the media as a possibility or concerning.

 

[peteblue]

A double edged sword... I see that the yellowhammer report (does anyone know how old it is ?) is stirring up a lot of emotion but it really is double edged. Remainers would like to think it will scare us all into delaying Brexit again, while those in Dublin are now saying that if this happens to the U.K., food, medicines etc etc, it will be even worse for them, and so pressure mounts for getting rid of the backstop......funny how these things work themselves out.....

 

[Hickson9]

A double edged sword... I see that the yellowhammer report (does anyone know how old it is ?) is stirring up a lot of emotion but it really is double edged. Remainers would like to think it will scare us all into delaying Brexit again, while those in Dublin are now saying that if this happens to the U.K., food, medicines etc etc, it will be even worse for them, and so pressure mounts for getting rid of the backstop......funny how these things work themselves out.....

Only a matter of weeks. And the report is balanced, sensible and apolitical.

It is the leaking of that report which is the political act.

Yellow hammer is taking up a huge amount of Civil Service resource as well.

 

[Joey66]

It's all OK Corbyn the Euro Sceptic is going to save us lol

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A double edged sword... I see that the yellowhammer report (does anyone know how old it is ?) is stirring up a lot of emotion but it really is double edged. Remainers would like to think it will scare us all into delaying Brexit again, while those in Dublin are now saying that if this happens to the U.K., food, medicines etc etc, it will be even worse for them, and so pressure mounts for getting rid of the backstop......funny how these things work themselves out.....

Where is the technology you say does away with the need for a backstop Pete? Still conspicuous by its absence. Almost like it never existed.

 

[Walken]

It's all OK Corbyn the Euro Sceptic is going to save us lol

Even a euro sceptic can recognise how unbelievably stupid pushing for a no deal brexit is

 

[Joey66]

Even a euro sceptic can recognise how unbelievably stupid pushing for a no deal brexit is

who is pushing for a no deal Brexit we either get a deal or leave its up to the EU they have given out free trade deal to countries 3 in the last 12 months -
In brief
Claim
The UK takes part in free trade agreements with 50 countries because of our EU membership.
Conclusion
The EU lists 50 countries with which it currently has a trade agreement of one kind or another.

"Thanks to our membership of the European Union, we benefit from free trade agreements with 50 countries around the world"
Britain Stronger in Europe, 9 November 2015

The most comprehensive list of EU free trade agreements seems to be in a European Commission memo from December 2013.
In it, the Commission refers to "trade agreements with some 50 partners". Not all of these are what it calls "classic" free trade agreements—a customs union like the one with Turkey, for example, makes trade easier -
So why are they being so awkward with the UK?

I think it maybe we have been their main benefactor for so long - with a deficit of £9 billion - we voted to leave they just need to offer us a free trade deals with no constraints........ its them who are forcing NO DEAL - not us.......

 

[Walken]

who is pushing for a no deal Brexit we either get a deal or leave its up to the EU they have given out free trade deal to countries 3 in the last 12 months -
In brief
Claim
The UK takes part in free trade agreements with 50 countries because of our EU membership.
Conclusion
The EU lists 50 countries with which it currently has a trade agreement of one kind or another.


The most comprehensive list of EU free trade agreements seems to be in a European Commission memo from December 2013.
In it, the Commission refers to "trade agreements with some 50 partners". Not all of these are what it calls "classic" free trade agreements—a customs union like the one with Turkey, for example, makes trade easier -
So why are they being so awkward with the UK?

I think it maybe we have been their main benefactor for so long - with a deficit of £9 billion - we voted to leave they just need to offer us a free trade deals with no constraints........ its them who are forcing NO DEAL - not us.......

Corbyn is working to stop a no deal, and rightly so. Whether you want brexit or not we should all be desperate to prevent a no deal exit