Current Affairs EU In or Out

[RichardP]

Not going to pretend I have much knowledge on trade deals but I would hardly say it’s on the list of most pressing concerns.
Sovereignty and Eu interference can broadly be put into the same point and as other posters have pointed out, I am totally unsure as to how this significantly impacts mine or anyone else’s daily living. More impact was caused by austerity measures (which I imagine you wholeheartedly supported)
Sorry for making you politely justify your reasoning for voting for a movement that was motivated by racist rhetoric and nationalist ideals btw.

Well, that depends on whether you are patriotic about your country or not. For those of us that are patriotic (the majority according to the referendum) it is very important.

Does it not strike you as insular and selfish to only consider how something affects you personally rather than the country in which you live?

Trade deals are, of course important, as they generate jobs, provide income etc.

Brexit was not motivated by what you assert at all. It was, and remains, motivated by a desire and intention to recover lost control of our daily lives from an external organisation that is slowly stifling us.

You wish to disagree with that, and that is fine. But we have made the decision to leave, it is happening and it never fails to astound me how hard it is for die hard remainers to accept the reality of the situation.

I would mention a historical parallel from 1945 but Superman would probably have another hissy fit.

 

[RichardP]

They're not benefits except for (selfishly) point 4. What do you benefit by the UK leaving the EU?

For instance a bilateral trade agreement is no good if you have just no dealed with your biggest market, who can then use their bigger market slice to ensure goods we want to sell in other markets are bought from EU countries instead when they do their deals.

The ECJ etc. Is there for your safety so you can't be locked up on jumped up charges without appeal as you could in say Russia. The EU can be a pain but stuff like the clean beach legislation and mobile roaming pricing caps are an example of benefits, or do you like dirty beaches and rivers Richard? Or perhaps you like paying over the odds to your mobile phone company?

You may not see them as benefits, but we do. That is why we voted for them and that is why we are leaving EU.

 

[roydo]

desire and intention to recover lost control of our daily lives from an external organisation that is slowly stifling us.

For about the 8th time, what, exactly does impact on the control of your life? And in what way are we being stifled?

You didnt answer before, so I am assuming there actually isnt anything.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yes as a network engineer he is my angel on the computer .

Angel1 new password mate

 

[RichardP]

You do realise that sounds like nonsense? The EU dont restrict the UK doing trade deals. Because we are PART of the EU, and partake in trade discussions as part of the EU.

When we leave we will be able to do trade deals like anyone else. Just with a market to offer a partner of 60 million ish, instead of a market of 350 million ish.

Which is precisely what we want but you just can't see the benefits of it. That's fine. We can, we voted for it and it is happening.

 

[The binman chronicles]

You may not see them as benefits, but we do. That is why we voted for them and that is why we are leaving EU.

They are not benefits. How are these things impacting your life to offset the negatives that we will lose? Visa free travel etc.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Well, that depends on whether you are patriotic about your country or not. For those of us that are patriotic (the majority according to the referendum) it is very important.

Does it not strike you as insular and selfish to only consider how something affects you personally rather than the country in which you live?

Trade deals are, of course important, as they generate jobs, provide income etc.

Brexit was not motivated by what you assert at all. It was, and remains, motivated by a desire and intention to recover lost control of our daily lives from an external organisation that is slowly stifling us.

You wish to disagree with that, and that is fine. But we have made the decision to leave, it is happening and it never fails to astound me how hard it is for doe hard remainers to accept the reality of the situation.

I would mention a historical parallel from 1945 but Superman would probably have another hissy fit.

You know @Bruce Wayne is Batman and not Superman, right?

 

[roydo]

Well, that depends on whether you are patriotic about your country or not. For those of us that are patriotic (the majority according to the referendum) it is very important.

What, like the EDF and that Tommy bloke are patriotic?

You dont half write some amazing stuff in here.

 

[RichardP]

For about the 8th time, what, exactly does impact on the control of your life? And in what way are we being stifled?

You didnt answer before, so I am assuming there actually isnt anything.

For the 99th and last time - we are restricted in who we can trade with bi laterally, we are substantial net contributor of funds to EU which then recycles our money in the form of subsidies to other EU country industries which then undercuts UK industry resulting in loss of UK jobs and downward pressure on wages.

Just the sniff of brexit happening has already seen this practice slow down and even reverse.

But you knew that didn't you.

If you want to ask the question again just refer to my previous answers again please.

 

[roydo]

Which is precisely what we want but you just can't see the benefits of it. That's fine. We can, we voted for it and it is happening.

Ok, I prefer a free trade deal within the EU, and I prefer to negotiate as a large trading body with the US, China, etc etc because the terms are good.

You would prefer to negotiate dozens of independent deals as a far smaller entity from a position of weakness.

And I am the unpatriotic one? You really have swallowed the Farage Weekly havnt you?

 

[roydo]

For the 99th and last time - we are restricted in who we can trade with bi laterally, we are substantial net contributor of funds to EU which then recycles our money in the form of subsidies to other EU country industries which then undercuts UK industry resulting in loss of UK jobs and downward pressure on wages.

Just the sniff of brexit happening has already seen this practice slow down and even reverse.

But you knew that didn't you.

If you want to ask the question again just refer to my previous answers again please.

Again and again and again. You dont know what you are on about.

I asked what stuff the EU do that impacts on your daily life. Trade deals dont.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Well, that depends on whether you are patriotic about your country or not. For those of us that are patriotic (the majority according to the referendum) it is very important.

Does it not strike you as insular and selfish to only consider how something affects you personally rather than the country in which you live?

Trade deals are, of course important, as they generate jobs, provide income etc.

Brexit was not motivated by what you assert at all. It was, and remains, motivated by a desire and intention to recover lost control of our daily lives from an external organisation that is slowly stifling us.

You wish to disagree with that, and that is fine. But we have made the decision to leave, it is happening and it never fails to astound me how hard it is for doe hard remainers to accept the reality of the situation.

I would mention a historical parallel from 1945 but Superman would probably have another hissy fit.

Holy Moly you learn something new on here every day.

Today we learn that only those that voted leave in the referendum are patriotic and those that voted to remain aren't.

I'd recommend you check out the Ashes thread where plenty of Remainers had their patriotism on display this afternoon.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Well, that depends on whether you are patriotic about your country or not. For those of us that are patriotic (the majority according to the referendum) it is very important.

Does it not strike you as insular and selfish to only consider how something affects you personally rather than the country in which you live?

Trade deals are, of course important, as they generate jobs, provide income etc.

Brexit was not motivated by what you assert at all. It was, and remains, motivated by a desire and intention to recover lost control of our daily lives from an external organisation that is slowly stifling us.

You wish to disagree with that, and that is fine. But we have made the decision to leave, it is happening and it never fails to astound me how hard it is for die hard remainers to accept the reality of the situation.

I would mention a historical parallel from 1945 but Superman would probably have another hissy fit.

In 1945 Europe defeated a fascist ideology. Not sure of any comparison here to be honest

 

[RichardP]

Ok, I prefer a free trade deal within the EU, and I prefer to negotiate as a large trading body with the US, China, etc etc because the terms are good.

You would prefer to negotiate dozens of independent deals as a far smaller entity from a position of weakness.

And I am the unpatriotic one? You really have swallowed the Farage Weekly havnt you?

Not at all. Being a member of EU and having to abide by EU rules has seen some ridiculous trade situations forced on us. Royal Navy ships having to be made with Spanish steel while ourown steel industry suffers but EU rules prevent us from supporting an industry of great national importance.

Once free of these ridiculous rules we will be able to restimulaye this industry, the fishing industry (which has nearly been destroyed by EU) and many others.

So, your patriotism is for the EU superstate. Mine, and the majority, is for the UK.

 

[roydo]

Royal Navy ships having to be made with Spanish steel

No words.