Current Affairs EU In or Out

[jaycee]

Careful mate, he’s been to different countries and has an Irish friend

But does he like Jay Z,thats the important thing

 

[random]

Given just one alterative and on a very low turn-out.

But that was the choice offered and Government cannot force people to vote.

If folks want change then they need to use their right to vote to affect that change, not exercising that right then moaning because they don't like the outcome is quite frankly, pretty stupid.

If the alternatives offered are not what the public want then supporting (or forming) a party to that aligns with a particular viewpoint is always an option in a democratic society

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Completely puzzled by this response. I haven't suggested that other countries who use PR aren't democratic. That's their choice and in that context its democratic.

'Use whatever version that suits at the time'? We have always used first past the post, it is the way we choose to do it. We have rejected PR in a referendum. Its not MY interpretation, its the will of the country.

You stated:

"...democracy in this country is defined by 'first past the post voting'. The day that this is overturned, will be the death of democracy in this country. "

That directly implies that anything other than FPTP is not democratic, hence my reply. Sorry if you found it puzzling.

 

[RichardP]

You've been asked for detail numerous times about the benefits of Brexit and have not provided any at all. The usual vacuous nonsense. For a man of such supposed commercial experience it's embarrassing. What is not uncommon however is your lack of awareness over just how ignorant you are. That is sadly all too common in these debates.

No Bruce,

It is the echo chamber mentality of the Remainers in this thread that is pathetic.

By your own words in this thread you do not believe in democracy.

That should end the discussion there and then.

You have failed spectacularly to answer the question I asked you previously which was which sort of anti democratic form of government do you prefer? You have failed to answer that and, imo, failed to behave impartially in your moderation of this thread.

Like the vast majority of Leavers, I am not anti Europe, just anti EU. An association of independent sovereign states is a far better solution nowadays than an EU block run by a dipsomaniac from Luxembourg and his cohort of failed domestic politicians. His successor is also failing spectacularly with approval ratings.

The future of EU is bleak and the sooner UK is out the better.

Standing by for your answer to my question Superman.

 

[spectateur]

I'm still waiting for somebody to give me 3 examples of how the average Britons will personally benefit from the exit from the EU.

 

[Methuselah]

You stated:

"...democracy in this country is defined by 'first past the post voting'. The day that this is overturned, will be the death of democracy in this country. "

That directly implies that anything other than FPTP is not democratic, hence my reply. Sorry if you found it puzzling.

You are mangling logic here. If our voting system was PR and a vote was overturned, it would also be the death of democracy. How you think that my post implies that I think FPTP is the only democratic voting system is mind boggling. If you read my original post (carefully this time) you will see that I say any country that chooses PR as their voting system is democratic.

 

[Methuselah]

Also you cannot post with calling someone a Remoaner or Kopite. So id pipe down.

Facts not insults.

 

[Xizor]

I'm still waiting for somebody to give me 3 examples of how the average Britons will personally benefit from the exit from the EU.

I've been waiting over 3 years for just one example!

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You are mangling logic here. If our voting system was PR and a vote was overturned, it would also be the death of democracy. How you think that my post implies that I think FPTP is the only democratic voting system is mind boggling. If you read my original post (carefully this time) you will see that I say any country that chooses PR as their voting system is democratic.

Because you said that if it was overturned it would be the death of democracy. That's not difficult to understand, surely.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Facts not insults.

Sorry what's a fact in that?

 

[RichardP]

I'm still waiting for somebody to give me 3 examples of how the average Britons will personally benefit from the exit from the EU.

1- We extract ourselves from EU interference in our daily lives.

2- We regain total sovereignty.

3- We can sign independent bi lateral trade deals without having to get EU permission first.

And, bonus point;

4- We no longer feel a polite obligation to engage in this type of debate with defeated Remainers.

Now my question.

If there is such animosity towards the UK democratic decision to leave EU and we are apparently so unpopular, why is EU so desperate to prevent us from leaving - can't survive without our money perhaps?

 

[Xizor]

1- We extract ourselves from EU interference in our daily lives.

I know, right? It's like every time you go to buy a pint, an EU commissioner pops out from around the corner and says "Non! Vous devez acheter de la bière en quantités métriques!"

 

[roydo]

1- We extract ourselves from EU interference in our daily lives.

Like what? In your daily life, how does the EU interfere with it?

 

[The binman chronicles]

1- We extract ourselves from EU interference in our daily lives.

2- We regain total sovereignty.

3- We can sign independent bi lateral trade deals without having to get EU permission first.

And, bonus point;

4- We no longer feel a polite obligation to engage in this type of debate with defeated Remainers.

Now my question.

If there is such animosity towards the UK democratic decision to leave EU and we are apparently so unpopular, why is EU so desperate to prevent us from leaving - can't survive without our money perhaps?

They're not benefits except for (selfishly) point 4. What do you benefit by the UK leaving the EU?

For instance a bilateral trade agreement is no good if you have just no dealed with your biggest market, who can then use their bigger market slice to ensure goods we want to sell in other markets are bought from EU countries instead when they do their deals.

The ECJ etc. Is there for your safety so you can't be locked up on jumped up charges without appeal as you could in say Russia. The EU can be a pain but stuff like the clean beach legislation and mobile roaming pricing caps are an example of benefits, or do you like dirty beaches and rivers Richard? Or perhaps you like paying over the odds to your mobile phone company?

 

[orchard]

Like what? In your daily life, how does the EU interfere with it?

Salt, and making @Joey66 's son change his password.