Current Affairs EU In or Out

[RichardP]

So you agree that it isn’t a strong movement?

Not in the sense that you try to mean, maybe, but it is there to stay and is growing. To me, that is strong. Perhaps strong foundation if you want to hair split.

Wait until you have a million or so immigrants and Irish law and Irish order breaks down and you will be thinking again.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Not in the sense that you try to mean, maybe, but it is there to stay and is growing. To me, that is strong. Perhaps strong foundation if you want to hair split.

Wait until you have a million or so immigrants and law and Irish order breaks down and you will be thinking again.

Really? You are choosing to redefine what the word ‘strong’ means rather than concede that your lack of knowledge and chancing your arm has been caught out.

Irish people have settled all around the world and made a contribution to whichever country has welcomed us in. I have no problem with anyone coming to Ireland to find employment and fund a better place for all of us here.

I find it notable and disappointing that you associate migrants and crime though.

 

[RichardP]

Really? You are choosing to redefine what the word ‘strong’ means rather than concede that your lack of knowledge and chancing your arm has been caught out.

Irish people have settled all around the world and made a contribution to whichever country has welcomed us in. I have no problem with anyone coming to Ireland to find employment and fund a better place for all of us here.

I find it notable and disappointing that you associate migrants and crime though.

I am neither racist nor prejudiced. I am, however, a realist. Just look at what has happened to UK in the last 20 years and ask yourself if that is what you want for Ireland. Yes, there are many, many fine and decent immigrants but the sad reality is that the bad element cause an unprecedented amount of trouble and make a thoroughly disproportionate drain on the welfare and public services of the host country.

I thoroughly agree with you about the Irish abroad. I am proud to call many my friends and also work with many. A fine bunch of people to be sure. But we are not talking about Irish abroad, we are talking about immigrants overwhelming the social landscape in Ireland - and the rest of EU if EU gets its way.

Don't believe me? That's fine but please remember our conversation.

 

[bigbadjeff]

Really? You are choosing to redefine what the word ‘strong’ means rather than concede that your lack of knowledge and chancing your arm has been caught out.

Irish people have settled all around the world and made a contribution to whichever country has welcomed us in. I have no problem with anyone coming to Ireland to find employment and fund a better place for all of us here.

I find it notable and disappointing that you associate migrants and crime though.

Check out the amount of Eastern Europeans in Maghaberry prison. I believe they have a wing called the United Nations as there are so many foreigners there.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Not in the sense that you try to mean, maybe, but it is there to stay and is growing. To me, that is strong. Perhaps strong foundation if you want to hair split.

Wait until you have a million or so immigrants and Irish law and Irish order breaks down and you will be thinking again.

Oh dear, the old immigration/race card.

There were around 200,000 Poles in Ireland pre-2008 economic crash and the number now is around 125,000. That's around 2.5% of the population, a much higher figure per capita of population than Britain.

We also have serious law and order problems in our cities already and they are not immigration related.

Must get your facts right and try harder Nigel.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

No argument with your first para but care to explain and justify your secoond?

Leaving the EU has very different meanings to the various groups that coalesce round Brexit. It was a failure by Brexit and Remain not to fully define..
One example, the failure of Mays deal and the flip flopping by so called ardent Brexiteers perfectly showed that leaving has a very wide changing definitions. More or less guarantee had that deal been passed many of the electorate that had voted leave would have accepted that as leaving, not because of any details, just because of the politicians getting the deal through...

I voted remain not because I'm fully open to freedom of movement and there are some very duplicitous intentions by many remainers on this subject, even NI border, Good Friday Agreement by most mainlanders was pint or two down the local.

EU referendum is a false flag, to detract from Baking crisis of 2008 and continuing general demise of the UK in managing this crisis. Stay or leave does not even go close to addressing the actual issues as I see it.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Check out the amount of Eastern Europeans in Maghaberry prison. I believe they have a wing called the United Nations as there are so many foreigners there.

So what should we do Jeff?

 

[Jebus_lives]

You need to remember that anything requested by UK was actually requested by May the Remainer. There was never any negotiations in earnest as both EU and May wanted to overturn both democracy and the referendum result. In short, it was a contrived stitch up which BoJo is now putting right.

The WA as it stands would leave us shackled to EU rules and regulations, with no time limit whatsoever and potentially, forever. That is not leaving, no matter how much you try to call it so.

It gets us out of the EU which was the intention of the referendum. Leave means leave remember...

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I am neither racist nor prejudiced. I am, however, a realist. Just look at what has happened to UK in the last 20 years and ask yourself if that is what you want for Ireland. Yes, there are many, many fine and decent immigrants but the sad reality is that the bad element cause an unprecedented amount of trouble and make a thoroughly disproportionate drain on the welfare and public services of the host country.

I thoroughly agree with you about the Irish abroad. I am proud to call many my friends and also work with many. A fine bunch of people to be sure. But we are not talking about Irish abroad, we are talking about immigrants overwhelming the social landscape in Ireland - and the rest of EU if EU gets its way.

Don't believe me? That's fine but please remember our conversation.

No I don’t believe your vision of the future Richard.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I am neither racist nor prejudiced. I am, however, a realist. Just look at what has happened to UK in the last 20 years and ask yourself if that is what you want for Ireland. Yes, there are many, many fine and decent immigrants but the sad reality is that the bad element cause an unprecedented amount of trouble and make a thoroughly disproportionate drain on the welfare and public services of the host country.

I thoroughly agree with you about the Irish abroad. I am proud to call many my friends and also work with many. A fine bunch of people to be sure. But we are not talking about Irish abroad, we are talking about immigrants overwhelming the social landscape in Ireland - and the rest of EU if EU gets its way.

Don't believe me? That's fine but please remember our conversation.

How long is it before we sink into the sea?!?!

 

[Armaghtoffee]

How long is it before we sink into the sea?!?!

Likely Friday whenever those 1 million immigrants rock up at Dublin port.

I have just nailed my front door shut in anticipation of the crime wave.

 

[bigbadjeff]

Check out the amount of Eastern Europeans in Maghaberry prison. I believe they have a wing called the United Nations as there are so many foreigners there.

So what should we do Jeff?

Apply for an FOI to see the amount of foreign national in prison here. I thought that would be simple to understand.

 

[Xizor]

Oh dear, the old immigration/race card.

The mask slips, every time. Not everybody who voted Leave is racist, but all the racists voted Leave.

"A fine bunch of people to be sure." Hmm.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Apply for an FOI to see the amount of foreign national in prison here. I thought that would be simple to understand.

What did your FOI tell you Jeff? Hit me with the numbers.

 

[RichardP]

No I don’t believe your vision of the future Richard.

We said the same in UK in the 70's and look at the mess the UK is in now.

Don't think it can happen to you?

Yeah, we said that too!